Saengnapha wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:04 pm
The 5 Hindrances and samatha practice are
related. But, so is everything else about the Buddhist teaching.
Of course. But, as the two quotes given above show, they are according to some methods of teaching very closely related. Ajahn Thiradammo, for example, teaches that concentration practice is essentially identifying the dominant nivarana
and then applying the most appropriate antidote. When the hindrances are present, you don't have samatha; conversely, when you have samatha, then there are no hindrances.
We learn what the 5 Hindrances are as part of an outline of study/philosophy to develop the conceptual understanding of what Buddhism is all about.
Do we? You might well have learnt that, but I didn't. I learnt about the hindrances in a practical sense as the mental tendencies or activities that prevent our meditation giving rise to instant tranquillity. It's just a different way of doing things.
The practice of samatha is a contemplative activity that is involved with letting go of conceptual ideas and harmonizing the body/mind which is also called equanimity or samadhi.
The same applies. You might have learnt it that way, but my experience was more about dealing with hindrances. Contemplative, certainly, but nevertheless possibly involving the identification and alleviation of hindrances. The Buddha doesn't seem to have left definitive instructions as to how these things are best to be done. If there is a sutta detailing how one approach is wrong and the other right, or some other compelling evidence, I would be happy to change my position on this.
It is a different activity than study and reading suttas. One doesn't sit and think about suttas during jhanas
No, I don't think anybody ever claimed one does. Studying and reading suttas is very different from undertaking mental activities that one has acquired through reading suttas. One would do nothing at all as a Buddhist without the understanding of suttas, and meditation is no different. And this isn't about what one does during jhanas, but about what one does in order to bring those jhanas about.
Personally, I'm not against the discussion of these topics in the same thread, but it is the application of these practices skillfully done that really make the difference, not the intellectual discussion. These should be discussed with a teacher, optimally.
Well, the same applies to all aspects of the Dhamma, doesn't it? Being moral beats talking about morality, having insights beats discussion of what insight is, and talking about meditation is less useful than the actual time on the cushion. Unless you can directly beam your jhana-experiences into my mind, then here on DW the intellectual discussion is all people are going to get. I think people understand that, though.