Read and follow this book. It has been highly effective for me.
Please bear in mind this is something that will require dedicated daily practice, with sessions of 45 minutes minimum, and continual mindfulness throughout the day.
Read and follow this book. It has been highly effective for me.
Thank you PseudoPseudobabble wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:56 amRead and follow this book. It has been highly effective for me.
Please bear in mind this is something that will require dedicated daily practice, with sessions of 45 minutes minimum, and continual mindfulness throughout the day.
No I don't think it goes against the Buddha's teachings.Nwad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:29 amThank you PseudoPseudobabble wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:56 amRead and follow this book. It has been highly effective for me.
Please bear in mind this is something that will require dedicated daily practice, with sessions of 45 minutes minimum, and continual mindfulness throughout the day.
This book not goes against Bouddha teachings?
Culadasa is a lay buddhist teacher. He has some videos no YouTube. The videos I watched were good.Nwad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:29 amThank you PseudoPseudobabble wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:56 amRead and follow this book. It has been highly effective for me.
Please bear in mind this is something that will require dedicated daily practice, with sessions of 45 minutes minimum, and continual mindfulness throughout the day.
This book not goes against Bouddha teachings?
Have you personally observed them sitting for 10+ hours without movement in one place? Because without that this is not a proof, no matter what one says.I have met such people.
Jhana is a must-have tool for the ultimate goal of Buddhism. Again, MN 64.Jhana can be a useful tool, but as a temporary state it is not the ultimate goal of Buddhism.
Being alive is a must have tool for the ultimate goal of Buddhism. It is not a superhuman ability. Samadhi or jhana can be helpful. They are not superhuman abilities. You can be in such a state in any of the four postures, but neither being alive or such temporary states leads inevitably to liberation. Being a samadhi or jhana junkie is not helpful.Zom wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:45 amHave you personally observed them sitting for 10+ hours without movement in one place? Because without that this is not a proof, no matter what one says.I have met such people.
Jhana is a must-have tool for the ultimate goal of Buddhism. Again, MN 64.Jhana can be a useful tool, but as a temporary state it is not the ultimate goal of Buddhism.
You are arguing without knowing what Buddha said on the matter. Why do that? Because he did say it is a a superhuman ability and a must-have ability as well.Being alive is a must have tool for the ultimate goal of Buddhism. It is not a superhuman ability. Samadhi or jhana can be helpful. They are not superhuman abilities. You can be in such a state in any of the four postures, but neither being alive or such temporary states leads inevitably to liberation. Being a samadhi or jhana junkie is not helpful.
Ok, you haven't seen, but only heard "this can be seen" somewhere. And I tell you - you won't see this. Yes, there meditators who meditate a lot here or there or somewhere. But no one among them can demonstrate 10+ hours sitting. Just because they don't have jhana - this is why they just can't. Too painful for them to sit that long.Long sitting stays in jhana, even in Hindu or other non-Buddhist traditions, can be observed if you stand in front of a meditator who uses such periods and wait. I can’t imagine anybody being that interested. if you go on a retreat you will likely find people who ignore the rest periods and sit continually for long periods (you can check in on them occasionally to see that they are still sitting).
Again, this can and has been observed in many traditions. I invite you visit any reputable training monastery if you wish to stand over a meditator and watch. How long you stay In jhana is not terribly important and, as far as I can see, you apparently are the only one who wants to see this claimed, demonstrated or “proven.” However, sItting a long time is not evidence of jhana. Long periods of jhana are neither evidence of enlightenment or superhuman. The entire point of Buddhism is lost if liberation is seen as something only superhumans can achieve. Many people are flexible enough to sit on full lotus for an indefinite period, even sleep in that position, and it it is not painful for them. The dead do it all the time!Zom wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:20 pmYou are arguing without knowing what Buddha said on the matter. Why do that? Because he did say it is a a superhuman ability and a must-have ability as well.Being alive is a must have tool for the ultimate goal of Buddhism. It is not a superhuman ability. Samadhi or jhana can be helpful. They are not superhuman abilities. You can be in such a state in any of the four postures, but neither being alive or such temporary states leads inevitably to liberation. Being a samadhi or jhana junkie is not helpful.
Ok, you haven't seen, but only heard "this can be seen" somewhere. And I tell you - you won't see this. Yes, there meditators who meditate a lot here or there or somewhere. But no one among them can demonstrate 10+ hours sitting. Just because they don't have jhana - this is why they just can't. Too painful for them to sit that long.Long sitting stays in jhana, even in Hindu or other non-Buddhist traditions, can be observed if you stand in front of a meditator who uses such periods and wait. I can’t imagine anybody being that interested. if you go on a retreat you will likely find people who ignore the rest periods and sit continually for long periods (you can check in on them occasionally to see that they are still sitting).
It seems like you've never meditated long enough and also have a poor knowledge of physiology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_ulcerMany people are flexible enough to sit on full lotus for an indefinite period
Do you know Zom, if this ability have to be developped fully, or if for exemple you attain it once and then no more - it's still good? I dont remember if Buddha said about this... What do you think ?
If you want arahantship, it has to be developed up to the 4th jhana at least, which means the completion of the 8th path factor. Actually, all reports about non-returners say that even they have already got all 4 jhanas (and texts also confirm that by saying that a non-returner is a person with perfect samadhi). However, I think, non-returning may be possible with the attainment of the 1st jhana. At least, as Autumn sutta says, if you die with 1st jhana and right views, you'll reborn in Pure Adobes as a non-returner, leaving Sense Realm forever.Do you know Zom, if this ability have to be developped fully, or if for exemple you attain it once and then no more - it's still good? I dont remember if Buddha said about this... What do you think ?
Oh, really?Zom wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:17 pm ...It seems like you've never meditated long enough and also have a poor knowledge of physiology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_ulcer
Thank you Zom !Zom wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:32 pmIf you want arahantship, it has to be developed up to the 4th jhana at least, which means the completion of the 8th path factor. Actually, all reports about non-returners say that even they have already got all 4 jhanas (and texts also confirm that by saying that a non-returner is a person with perfect samadhi). However, I think, non-returning may be possible with the attainment of the 1st jhana. At least, as Autumn sutta says, if you die with 1st jhana and right views, you'll reborn in Pure Adobes as a non-returner, leaving Sense Realm forever.Do you know Zom, if this ability have to be developped fully, or if for exemple you attain it once and then no more - it's still good? I dont remember if Buddha said about this... What do you think ?
You read it in some wrong way. All jhanic formulas in the texts are perfectly correlated with each other. Let us take two important suttas at first: SN 48.36 and SN 48.40. If one wants to understand jhanas, one has to remember them (or at least just the numbers) by heart.I have another question about pain. Did you do any statistic of suttas dividing on two classes:
1. suttas where pain and pleasure cesse only in 4th jhana
2. suttas where pain faculty cesse from 1st jhana?
Because if there is only some suttas about cessation of pain from 1st and many of suttas with cessation of pain in 4th, should we concider that there is some variables or "errors"?