Can We Hear Sound in Jhāna?

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Re: Can We Hear Sound in Jhāna?

Postby Mkoll » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:50 am

SarathW wrote:I do not hear sound even when I read a book.

You're still hearing sound, but you're not noticing it because you're engrossed in your book and not paying attention to the background auditory stimuli. It's a form of neural adaptation/habituation. If a sufficiently different and intense auditory stimulus went off near you, say an airhorn, you can bet your butt you'd hear it.

The question here is whether the person in jhana would hear it. My impression is that it depends on what definition of "jhana" we're using.
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Re: Can We Hear Sound in Jhāna?

Postby SarathW » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:39 am

If a sufficiently different and intense auditory stimulus went off near you, say an airhorn, you can bet your butt you'd hear it.


I think this will be applicable to Buddhist Jhana too.
However I am not sure how this will work for a person in Nirodha Samapatthi as they do not have thoughts.
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Re: Can We Hear Sound in Jhāna?

Postby SarathW » Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:41 am

Buddha Vacana wrote:
SarathW wrote:I do not hear sound even when I read a book.

There you've got your ekaggata!


Yes that may not be the right kaggata. (as per Jhana formula)
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Re: Can We Hear Sound in Jhāna?

Postby Buddha Vacana » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:05 am

SarathW wrote:Yes that may not be the right kaggata. (as per Jhana formula)

There is no ekaggata in the jhana formula.

Also, in the suttas, ekaggata and its derivatives don't have such a narrow meaning as in the Vsm and as many teach it:

AN 5.151: one should be ekaggacitta while listening to a Dhamma talk
suṇanto saddhammaṃ ... avikkhittacitto dhammaṃ suṇāti ekaggacitto yoniso ca manasi karoti.

while listening to the good Dhamma ... one listens to the Dhamma with an undistracted and one-pointed mind; one attends to it appropriately.


AN 4.12: one should have cittaṃ ekaggaṃ while walking:
“carato cepi ... samāhitaṃ cittaṃ ekaggaṃ, carampi, bhikkhave, bhikkhu ... samitaṃ āraddhavīriyo pahitatto’ti vuccati

if while walking ... his mind is concentrated and one-pointed, then that bhikkhu is said to be ... continuously energetic and resolute while walking.


So it seems that meaning would also apply in the case of your reading a book.

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Re: Can We Hear Sound in Jhāna?

Postby SarathW » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:27 am

So it seems that meaning would also apply in the case of your reading a book.

Yes if you are reading a Dhamma book it will be right concentration.
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Re: Can We Hear Sound in Jhāna?

Postby SarathW » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:34 am

Good sutta.

"That being the case, Uttara, then a blind person will have developed faculties, and a deaf person will have developed faculties, according to the words of the brahman Parasiri. For a blind person does not see forms with the eye, and a deaf person does not hear sounds with the ear."



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