Jhana Dhamma Talks

The cultivation of calm or tranquility and the development of concentration
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Re: Jhana Dhamma Talks

Post by Akashad » Sat May 11, 2019 12:42 am

Came across this talk hope it will be helpful to someone. (Pa auk). :namaste:

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Re: Jhana Dhamma Talks

Post by salayatananirodha » Sat May 11, 2019 2:22 am

what is a 'hard jhana'?
16. 'In what has the world originated?' — so said the Yakkha Hemavata, — 'with what is the world intimate? by what is the world afflicted, after having grasped at what?' (167)

17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)

- Hemavatasutta


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http://thaiforestwisdom.org/canonical-texts/
http://seeingthroughthenet.net/wp-conte ... _Heart.pdf
https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html

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Re: Jhana Dhamma Talks

Post by mikenz66 » Sat May 11, 2019 2:31 am

salayatananirodha wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 2:22 am
what is a 'hard jhana'?
A deeply-absorbed jhana (as opposed to the lighter versions).

See: The Great Jhana Debate.
Further discussion should be on that thread...

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Re: Jhana Dhamma Talks

Post by Modus.Ponens » Sat May 11, 2019 3:24 am

mikenz66 wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 2:31 am
salayatananirodha wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 2:22 am
what is a 'hard jhana'?
A deeply-absorbed jhana (as opposed to the lighter versions).

See: The Great Jhana Debate.
Further discussion should be on that thread...

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Mike
Hi Salayatananirodha.

The short version is that there are two understandings of what jhana is. In the "hard jhanas" the mind is so focused, that it locks on the object of concentration, without being aware of anything else, including thoughts and the body. In the "light jhanas" the mind is stabilised and focused, but not locked. There is bodily awareness, and occasional thoughts in the background, but the mind's focus is stable. It is absorbed.

Both kinds of jhana are accompanied by the jhana factors, but the hard jhanas are harder to develop. They are deeper forms of concentration. But I also think they are not necessary to achieve stream entry. These days I think the difference is more about the degree of focus, than about two hypothetically very different forms of jhana. In my opinion, a sensible compromise for serious meditators would to develop light jhana in order to achieve stream entry and then consider developing the hard jhanas.

I recommend reading the thread that Mikenz66 linked to because it goes really in depth about the two understandings of jhana.
"He turns his mind away from those phenomena and, having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.' " - Jhana Sutta

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Re: Jhana Dhamma Talks

Post by Modus.Ponens » Sat May 11, 2019 3:39 am

Modus.Ponens wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:28 pm
This dhamma talk is by Ayya Khema. She describes the jhanas 1 to 8, how to get there (except that this part on the 4th is not possible to hear), what you do after each jhana and what insights you get from each jhana. In the end there's a bit of Q&A. It's a very good concise explanation of the subject, in my opinion.

The old link to this great dhamma talk is broken. But this one works.

It's called "The Eight Jhanas", and it was taught at Bodhinyana, on the 16th of March of 1994.

https://www.buddhistdoor.net/audio/the- ... ayya-khema
"He turns his mind away from those phenomena and, having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.' " - Jhana Sutta

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Re: Jhana Dhamma Talks

Post by salayatananirodha » Sat May 11, 2019 4:22 am

maybe
16. 'In what has the world originated?' — so said the Yakkha Hemavata, — 'with what is the world intimate? by what is the world afflicted, after having grasped at what?' (167)

17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)

- Hemavatasutta


links:
https://www.ancient-buddhist-texts.net/index.htm
http://thaiforestwisdom.org/canonical-texts/
http://seeingthroughthenet.net/wp-conte ... _Heart.pdf
https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html

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