KevinSolway wrote: DAWN wrote:You preach that kamma is only thoughts, and you say that kamma have nothing to do with the body, you reject kamma.
No, I don't say that kamma is only thoughts. I am speaking of kamma in the sense of cause and effect - specifically in relation to the rebirth of ignorance. The issue of physical life and death, and whether a human being can be reborn as a frog, or a thousand frogs all at once, is irrelevant when discussing the rebirth of ignorance, and how to get out of the cycle of samsara.
Buddha said, in SN, that depending co-origination can be understood by bouth sides.
By birth as first condition to all this mass of suffering
Birth , becoming, cligning, craving, feeling, contact, six senses, name-and-form, consciosness, fabrication, ignorance;
By ignorance as first condition to all this mass of suffering.
Ignorance, fabrication, consciosness, name-and-form, six sens base, contact, feeling, craving, cligning, becoming, birth.
I have tendency to take the first side, with birth as condition to suffering.
Why?
Because if beings are not ignorant about anicca, dukkha and anatta of existance, they will not procreate it, by self-duplication (child borning). But, there is ignorance, so beings are born, they suffer, and create suffering to others.
PS added after: actualy we can not separete them. In general, when there is birth, there is ignorance, when there is ignorance there is birth.
KevinSolway wrote:When it's said "kamma", it's said "action".
It's not quite that simple. The word is often used to mean "cause and effect".
I agree with you that it's not mystical or magical in any way.
Yes it's true.
For me to, kamma is the same that "cause and effect" mouvement. Actualy all mouvement (action) is cause and effect manifestation, kamma manifestation.
There is no magic, just physical laws.