I say Budo is wrong, here, because MN 128 called Upakkilesa Sutta is about the arising of various hindrances or corruptions (called Upakkilesa), which the suttas appear to say does not occur in jhana. Simply because the words "light" & "nimitta" are mentioned in MN 128, it seems papanca or mental discursiveness arose for those who believe the "light & forms" in MN 128 are about jhana.
I think only very serious upakkilesa would cause a person to believe a sutta called Upakkilesa Sutta is about jhana.
No. The sutta only refers to jhana at the end. If the obasanimitta was jhana then how could the 'jhana' fall away due to the doubt, loss of focus, dullness, drowsiness, terror and other hindrances & corruptions mentioned in the sutta?
How can hindrances appear in the 4th jhana when they are abandoned prior to the 1st jhana?
Since jhana is without hindrances, it seems your 'Hindrance Jhana' is not real jhana but something imagined.
No. The "light & forms" mentioned in the sutta appear related to the natural emerging of psychic powers & not jhana. This is why hindrances such as "terror" arose. If the light & forms related to jhana, it would be a peaceful abiding.
I do not ever recall I said Buddha was training them in Divine Eye. I recall you made a post where you said Right Speech is a difficult practise for you. Possibly you can start a topic asking people to help you with Right Speech. To practise Right Speech, I recommend to not imagine things.
I think the following facts show no jhana:
1. Cannot read sutta logically, believing the hindrances of doubt & terror arise in jhana.
2. Cannot read my posts clearly. Always say I post & say things I do not post & say.
I my 1st ever meditation retreat, a very peaceful meditation occurred (during a period of 30 minutes). I followed the breathing continuously until my mind could not longer be aware of the breathing, because the breathing became very long, fine & calm. Afterwards, I floated in peace for many hours afterwards. Later I cried when thinking back how I never previously believed peace could exist. My impression is if you had an experience the same as the experience I had in my 1st retreat, you would believe this to be the 4th jhana or even believe it to be Arahantship. But, for me, this experience of tranquility I had one day in my 1st meditation retreat was only "momentary concentration".
To end, MN 128 appears to not be about jhana because it appears to say only after the Upakilesa end, jhana can be developed. It seems I am not wrong. However, you & Budo are allowed to share the same ideas.
‘I’ve given up my mental corruptions.
‘ye kho me cittassa upakkilesā te me pahīnā.
Now let me develop immersion in three ways.’
Handa dānāhaṃ tividhena samādhiṃ bhāvemī’ti.
I developed immersion while placing the mind and keeping it connected; without placing the mind, but just keeping it connected; without placing the mind or keeping it connected; with rapture; without rapture; with pleasure; with equanimity.
When I had developed immersion in these ways, the knowledge and vision arose in me:
‘My freedom is unshakable; this is my last birth; now there are no more future becoming.'
That is what the Buddha said.
Satisfied, Venerable Anuruddha was happy with what the Buddha said.
Upakkilesasuttaṃ niṭṭhitaṃ aṭṭhamaṃ.