Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Kim OHara
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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Post by Kim OHara » Thu May 17, 2018 2:59 am

KiwiNFLFan wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:30 am
I see it's not an 'open and shut case'.
It's more like a case-by-case case. :tongue:
Various arguments are being made on both sides.
Most of them boil down to "don't take what's not given" on one side (funny, that) and "but it's not hurting anyone" on the other.
I agree we shouldn't download Photoshop or the latest series of Game of Thrones just because we don't want to pay (although what about if someone, e.g. a student, can't pay?)
They go out and work for the money and then pay. Just as they do when they can't afford food, although with far less sense of urgency.
Also, what about streaming TV shows that your local TV network doesn't broadcast? You have no control over which shows they broadcast.
These days it's possible to buy access to most shows in most countries. If you can't, the owner/s aren't selling it to you and illegal downloads are, again, stealing.
But what about if something isn't available in your country? These Thai books I mentioned (Learn to read with Manee) don't seem to be available in ebook form on the Internet, and they're definitely not available in print here in New Zealand. The lady running the site posted a video of an interview she did with the writer of the books, which seems to imply that the distribution is legit. Am I obsessing too much over this? If there were ebook versions for sale I would buy them.
This is legitimately a grey area. :thumbsup:
If you're reasonably sure that the writer and publisher are happy with the idea, go for it.
If you're not, you could try to find out.
If you can't find out, you've done all you can reasonably do and again (IMO) can go for it with a clear conscience.
If you want to thank/pay the writer in some way, a donation to a literacy project in Thailand would be very appropriate.

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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Post by mikenz66 » Thu May 17, 2018 3:20 am

KiwiNFLFan wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:30 am
But what about if something isn't available in your country? These Thai books I mentioned (Learn to read with Manee) don't seem to be available in ebook form on the Internet, and they're definitely not available in print here in New Zealand. The lady running the site posted a video of an interview she did with the writer of the books, which seems to imply that the distribution is legit. Am I obsessing too much over this? If there were ebook versions for sale I would buy them.
As far as I know, the "Learn to read with Manee" books have been out of print for decades. They were written in the 70s, and many Thai people I know (aged between about 40 and 50) used them at school. From what I can see on the Internet, they were digitized to preserve them on Thailand’s National Digital Library Network.

So I don't think downloading them is an issue.

There are a number of on-line resources using the books. I fondly remember the version at learningthai.com, which is now off line. This site: http://www.seasite.niu.edu/thai/maanii1/fsmaanii1.htm has something similar.

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