Samanera precepts render invalid for bhikkhu ?

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Samanera precepts render invalid for bhikkhu ?

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Perhaps bhante could help to answer !

Once the person received higher ordination , does samanera precepts would turn nullify or cancel ?
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Whatever set of sīla is undertaken later will wholly abrogate and supersede any set of sīla that was undertaken earlier and without any need for the older set to be formally renounced

For example, if a five-precept-keeper takes the eight precepts, then the third-precept obligation to avoid sex with unsuitable partners will be replaced by an obligation to refrain from all sex. If an eight-precept-keeper takes the five precepts, then he'll be free again to have sex with suitable partners, eat after midday, sleep on high beds, etc., even though he never formally renounced his undertaking to abstain from these things.

Similarly, when a sāmaṇera takes higher ordination, his 10 precept commitment will be abrogated and superseded by his obligation to train by the rules in the Pāṭimokkha and the Khandhakas.
“Keep to your own pastures, bhikkhus, walk in the haunts where your fathers roamed.
If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
— Cakkavattisīhanāda Sutta

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Dhammanando wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:23 pm
Whatever set of sīla is undertaken later will wholly abrogate and supersede any set of sīla that was undertaken earlier and without any need for the older set to be formally renounced

For example, if a five-precept-keeper takes the eight precepts, then the third-precept obligation to avoid sex with unsuitable partners will be replaced by an obligation to refrain from all sex. If an eight-precept-keeper takes the five precepts, then he'll be free again to have sex with suitable partners, eat after midday, sleep on high beds, etc., even though he never formally renounced his undertaking to abstain from these things.

Similarly, when a sāmaṇera takes higher ordination, his 10 precept commitment will be abrogated and superseded by his obligation to train by the rules in the Pāṭimokkha and the Khandhakas.
So bhante , this means bhikkhu now can use perfume and dancing or singing since 227 does not include both ?
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sentinel wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:45 am
So bhante , this means bhikkhu now can use perfume and dancing or singing since 227 does not include both ?
I wrote:
Dhammanando wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:23 pm
his 10 precept commitment will be abrogated and superseded by his obligation to train by the rules in the Pāṭimokkha and the Khandhakas.
The Khandhakas are the Vinaya texts containing all the rules that fall outside the 227 that get recited in the fortnightly uposatha meetings. In the Pali Vinaya they comprise the Mahāvagga and Cūḷavagga.
“Keep to your own pastures, bhikkhus, walk in the haunts where your fathers roamed.
If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
— Cakkavattisīhanāda Sutta

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Dhammanando wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:06 am
sentinel wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:45 am
So bhante , this means bhikkhu now can use perfume and dancing or singing since 227 does not include both ?
I wrote:
Dhammanando wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:23 pm
his 10 precept commitment will be abrogated and superseded by his obligation to train by the rules in the Pāṭimokkha and the Khandhakas.
The Khandhakas are the Vinaya texts containing all the rules that fall outside the 227 that get recited in the fortnightly uposatha meetings. In the Pali Vinaya they comprise the Mahāvagga and Cūḷavagga.
Oh now i get it , thanks for the replies .
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