8th precept

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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8th precept

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Hello all,


Does anyone have a sutta or commentary that explains what exactly a high sleeping place is as defined by the 8th precept? What counts as a high sleeping place?

Thanks,
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A layer of straw on a raised platform very high up on top of a mountain is low, or humble.
A soft large scented sleeping cushion on the floor of a basement under sea level, low down, is high, or luxurious.

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TRobinson465 wrote:
Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:20 am
Hello all,


Does anyone have a sutta or commentary that explains what exactly a high sleeping place is as defined by the 8th precept? What counts as a high sleeping place?

Thanks,
The objective of this precept is to eliminate the Mana or you measuring your status with other people.
In India even in Sri Lanka nowadays low-class people do not sit on high chairs when they come to a higher class person (house).
In Buddha's time, there were four classes and they sit on a chair based on their status.
However, when they come to see Buddha they all sit on the floor.
So as a Sila level it does not matter where you sit. What matters is your mental state.
But in practice, you sit on a lower chair or sleep in a not overly elaborated bed.
My recollection is in Vinaya they are stipulated for monks.
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Buddhist Monastic Code wrote:Pācittiyā 87. When a bhikkhu is making a new bed or bench, it is to have legs (at most) eight fingerbreadths long — using Sugata fingerbreadths — not counting the lower edge of the frame. In excess of that it is to be cut down and confessed.

A fingerbreadth is about 2cms.
So, by that reckoning, a bed with legs longer than about 16 cms (6½"), excluding the frame, would be a high bed.
Buddhist Monastic Code wrote:Pācittiyā 88. Should any bhikkhu have a bed or bench upholstered, it (the upholstery) is to be torn off and confessed.
Upholstery and cushions. Cotton down was apparently the most luxurious material known in the Buddha’s time for stuffing furniture, cushions, and mattresses, inasmuch as bhikkhus are forbidden from making beds and benches upholstered with cotton‑down (under this rule), and from sitting on cushions stuffed with cotton down, even in the homes of lay people (Cv.VI.8). The only article of furnishing stuffed with cotton down allowed to bhikkhus is a pillow (not a squatting mat, as translated in some places), although the pillow should be made no larger than the size of the head (Cv.VI.2.6).
One upholstered with cotton-down is luxurious. Modern-day futons and interior sprung mattresses would be classed as luxurious.

I use zabutons stuffed with buck-wheat husks, which adapt to one’s body shape, without the softness of cotton or foam mattresses and cushions. They also avoid the pollution and fire-hazards of plastic foam.
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I use zabutons stuffed with buck-wheat husks, which adapt to one’s body shape, without the softness of cotton or foam mattresses and cushions. They also avoid the pollution and fire-hazards of plastic foam.
Good choice Bhante.
In my opinion, modern luxurious beds are the worst of all inventions.
Having said that I got used to this bad habit by now. :D
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