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Third precept

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:11 am
by sentinel
Is there stated in vinaya lay people prohibited from engage in oral sex , masturbation and frequenting prostitute if not married or even they already married ?

Re: Third precept

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:52 am
by Sam Vara
The vinaya is the rules and procedures governing the monastic sangha, so wouldn't deal with this sort of thing. Are there other areas of the vinaya that relate to the private behaviour of married people? I've not heard of any such proscription in any part of the tipitaka, although there are obviously teachings relating to sensuality in general.

Re: Third precept

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:13 am
by sentinel
Sam Vara wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:52 am
The vinaya is the rules and procedures governing the monastic sangha, so wouldn't deal with this sort of thing. Are there other areas of the vinaya that relate to the private behaviour of married people? I've not heard of any such proscription in any part of the tipitaka, although there are obviously teachings relating to sensuality in general.
I was thinking of other related information about it probably someone might have the knowledge .

Thanks

Re: Third precept

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:30 pm
by salayatananirodha

Re: Third precept

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:32 am
by chownah
Do a search in this Sila forum for the word "sexual" and it will point you to a great variety of posts dealing with these issues.
EDIT:......or more specifically directed to the specific ideas you present in the OP I suggest searching for "oral".
chownah

Re: Third precept

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:50 am
by SarathW
Buddhism and Sex
we must distinguish between the rules undertaken by Buddhist monks for their own conduct, and any guiding principles for lay people.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/aut ... el225.html

Re: Third precept

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:13 am
by sentinel
What is the meaning of woman protected by dhamma ?

Re: Third precept

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:12 pm
by sentinel
chownah wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:32 am
Do a search in this Sila forum for the word "sexual" and it will point you to a great variety of posts dealing with these issues.
EDIT:......or more specifically directed to the specific ideas you present in the OP I suggest searching for "oral".
chownah
Thanks

Re: Third precept

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:33 pm
by Dhammanando
sentinel wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:13 am
What is the meaning of woman protected by dhamma ?
Women keeping brahmacarī vows (i.e., bhikkhunīs, sāmaṇerīs, sikkhamānās and eight-precept upāsikās) and (in later texts) consanguineous female relatives.

Re: Third precept

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:36 pm
by sentinel
Dhammanando wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:33 pm
sentinel wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:13 am
What is the meaning of woman protected by dhamma ?
Women keeping brahmacarī vows (i.e., bhikkhunīs, sāmaṇerīs, sikkhamānās and eight-precept upāsikās) and (in later texts) consanguineous female relatives.
Thanks venerable , why is it women liable to punishment is in the protected category ?
And did the Buddha ever mentioned about other than Protected candidate concerning lay people sexual misconduct behavior that would violate third precept , is there anything about how lay people should or shouldn't acts in the intimacy relationship that violates the third precept ?

Re: Third precept

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:32 am
by Dhammanando
sentinel wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:36 pm
Thanks venerable , why is it women liable to punishment is in the protected category ?
That's just a poor translation. A saparidaṇḍā isn't a "woman liable to punishment", but rather a "woman in connection with whom a punishment has been set." The Vinaya defines the term as: "a girl who's been promised to someone, whose name has been put on a public notice set up in a village, house, or street announcing a penalty for anyone who goes to her."
sentinel wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:36 pm
And did the Buddha ever mentioned about other than Protected candidate concerning lay people sexual misconduct behavior that would violate third precept , is there anything about how lay people should or shouldn't acts in the intimacy relationship that violates the third precept ?
The early texts don't go further than specifying the kind of sexual partners who are off limits. The specifications taught by some Mahayana teachers regarding appropriate and inappropriate methods and orifices, right and wrong places and times, etc., all come from very late texts and aren't found in any Theravadin sources at all. The East Asians usually get them from the Upāsakaśīla Sūtra and the Tibetans from Vaśubandhu's auto-commentary to the Abhidharmakośa.

Re: Third precept

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:29 am
by sentinel
Dhammanando wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:32 am
sentinel wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:36 pm
Thanks venerable , why is it women liable to punishment is in the protected category ?
That's just a poor translation. A saparidaṇḍā isn't a "woman liable to punishment", but rather a "woman in connection with whom a punishment has been set." The Vinaya defines the term as: "a girl who's been promised to someone, whose name has been put on a public notice set up in a village, house, or street announcing a penalty for anyone who goes to her."
sentinel wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:36 pm
And did the Buddha ever mentioned about other than Protected candidate concerning lay people sexual misconduct behavior that would violate third precept , is there anything about how lay people should or shouldn't acts in the intimacy relationship that violates the third precept ?
The early texts don't go further than specifying the kind of sexual partners who are off limits. The specifications taught by some Mahayana teachers regarding appropriate and inappropriate methods and orifices, right and wrong places and times, etc., all come from very late texts and aren't found in any Theravadin sources at all. The East Asians usually get them from the Upāsakaśīla Sūtra and the Tibetans from Vaśubandhu's auto-commentary to the Abhidharmakośa.
Thanks venerable .