What is considered as entertainment ?

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Nwad
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What is considered as entertainment ?

Post by Nwad » Mon May 13, 2019 3:29 am

Greatings,

What is considered as entertainment? Only dancing, singing, shows etc? Or all kinds of activities that distract the mind?

For exemple, if manufacturing things, gardening, listening to radio talks, watching online videos about science, history etc etc (except music, cinema, and gross entertainemnt) procure pleasent feelings end distraction to a mind, it is considered as entertainment?

All what disctract your mind is considered as entertainment?

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Re: What is considered as entertainment ?

Post by chownah » Mon May 13, 2019 3:52 am

Anger distracts your mind and I doubt anyone would consider it entertainment.
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Re: What is considered as entertainment ?

Post by SarathW » Mon May 13, 2019 4:27 am

The yard stick is whether the entertainment is skilful or unskilful.
Instead of watching a football game I can watch a Dhamma talk in TV or Youtube.
What is your level of attachment, aversion and ignorance in each activity.
The object of the path is to reduce attachment, aversion and ignorance.
In my opinion, everything we do can be considered entertainment (wholesome or unwholesome) until we attain full liberation.
For instance, participation in Dhamma Wheel is a form of entertainment unless you are at least a Sotapanna but it can be used skilfully.
Any entertainment makes you closer to liberation is wholesome.
Any entertainment distance you from liberation is unwholesome.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is considered as entertainment ?

Post by Nwad » Mon May 13, 2019 10:36 am

SarathW wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 4:27 am
Any entertainment makes you closer to liberation is wholesome.
Any entertainment distance you from liberation is unwholesome.
Tank you dear Sarath:)
It's a very good point. We are here to uproot our suffering so the most important point is to know if there is more or less suffering / more or less unwholesome states of mind ..
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Re: What is considered as entertainment ?

Post by chownah » Tue May 14, 2019 4:42 am

Nwad wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 3:29 am
Greatings,

What is considered as entertainment? Only dancing, singing, shows etc? Or all kinds of activities that distract the mind?

For exemple, if manufacturing things, gardening, listening to radio talks, watching online videos about science, history etc etc (except music, cinema, and gross entertainemnt) procure pleasent feelings end distraction to a mind, it is considered as entertainment?

All what disctract your mind is considered as entertainment?

Thanks,
:anjali:
Have you found answers to your questions?
chownah

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Re: What is considered as entertainment ?

Post by Nwad » Tue May 14, 2019 6:56 am

chownah wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 4:42 am
Have you found answers to your questions?
chownah
I think that we have already all answers on our questions, we have just to be attentive to our heart.

The point here is to know if this or that activity lead to liberation of mind or not. But it depends also on the level of practice of each person. For some one only gross distractions will be disturbing in the path, and for others even any social activity or reading the book (about science or history for example) will be disturbing. The problem is that when you live a lay life you can't live like a monk, so suffering of the mind push the practitioner to some kind of distraction, and to avoid breaking the precept it can be usefull to know is it all kind of distraction of mind that can break it or just some gross, like cinema, music, shows, party etc.

So I have a deep part of answer (keeping mind clear) but not the "superficial" part (what activity break the precept).

There is perhaps some sutta ?

Thank you Chownah to asking if it's ok :anjali:

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Re: What is considered as entertainment ?

Post by salayatananirodha » Tue May 21, 2019 3:29 am

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.02.0.than.html wrote:"Whereas some brahmans and contemplatives, living off food given in faith, are addicted to watching shows such as these — dancing, singing, instrumental music, plays, ballad recitations, hand-clapping, cymbals and drums, magic lantern scenes, acrobatic and conjuring tricks, elephant fights, horse fights, buffalo fights, bull fights, goat fights, ram fights, cock fights, quail fights; fighting with staves, boxing, wrestling, war-games, roll calls, battle arrays, and regimental reviews — he abstains from watching shows such as these. This, too, is part of his virtue.
this part pertains to shows, but then the next part about games is in my opinion very relevant
"Whereas some brahmans and contemplatives, living off food given in faith, are addicted to heedless and idle games such as these — eight-row chess, ten-row chess, chess in the air, hopscotch, spillikins, dice, stick games, hand-pictures, ball-games, blowing through toy pipes, playing with toy plows, turning somersaults, playing with toy windmills, toy measures, toy chariots, toy bows, guessing letters drawn in the air, guessing thoughts, mimicking deformities — he abstains from heedless and idle games such as these. This, too, is part of his virtue.
you don't technically have to abstain from games to observe the seventh precept, do you? but it is negligence the same
16. 'In what has the world originated?' — so said the Yakkha Hemavata, — 'with what is the world intimate? by what is the world afflicted, after having grasped at what?' (167)

17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)

- Hemavatasutta


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Re: What is considered as entertainment ?

Post by Kim OHara » Tue May 21, 2019 6:53 am

salayatananirodha wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 3:29 am
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.02.0.than.html wrote:"Whereas some brahmans and contemplatives, living off food given in faith, are addicted to watching shows such as these — dancing, singing, instrumental music, plays, ballad recitations, hand-clapping, cymbals and drums, magic lantern scenes, acrobatic and conjuring tricks, elephant fights, horse fights, buffalo fights, bull fights, goat fights, ram fights, cock fights, quail fights; fighting with staves, boxing, wrestling, war-games, roll calls, battle arrays, and regimental reviews — he abstains from watching shows such as these. This, too, is part of his virtue.
this part pertains to shows, but then the next part about games is in my opinion very relevant
"Whereas some brahmans and contemplatives, living off food given in faith, are addicted to heedless and idle games such as these — eight-row chess, ten-row chess, chess in the air, hopscotch, spillikins, dice, stick games, hand-pictures, ball-games, blowing through toy pipes, playing with toy plows, turning somersaults, playing with toy windmills, toy measures, toy chariots, toy bows, guessing letters drawn in the air, guessing thoughts, mimicking deformities — he abstains from heedless and idle games such as these. This, too, is part of his virtue.
you don't technically have to abstain from games to observe the seventh precept, do you? but it is negligence the same
Yes, that's good.
But the key phrases IMO is "heedless and idle" because it gives us the criteria against which we can assess all the entertainments and distractions which have been invented in the last 2000 years.

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Kim

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