Natural Pest Control

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Natural Pest Control

Post by TRobinson465 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:19 am

Hello all,

A friend of mine asked a very interesting question and I wasn't sure about the answer.

The question is, is using a natural predator as a form of pest control an act of killing? For instance buying ladybugs for your garden, buying a carnivorous plant for your home, etc. I remember some stories in the Pali canon where people would tie cats with leashes to barrels to protect their food from rats. Do these acts count as bad kamma in any way?
"Do not have blind faith, but also no blind criticism"

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Re: Natural Pest Control

Post by DooDoot » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:45 am

I Iived in a forest monastery once in Thailand, which, in the early days, had tigers. Dogs were brought into the monastery to prevent tigers from attacking novices and cats were brought in to stop rats eating the Pali sutta books.

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Re: Natural Pest Control

Post by salayatananirodha » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:00 am

What should really be in focus is harmlessness thought and intention. I don't know the answer to your question; if you're intent on harmlessness, these issues will be resolved.
16. 'In what has the world originated?' — so said the Yakkha Hemavata, — 'with what is the world intimate? by what is the world afflicted, after having grasped at what?' (167)

17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)

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Re: Natural Pest Control

Post by TRobinson465 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:11 am

DooDoot wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:45 am
I Iived in a forest monastery once in Thailand, which, in the early days, had tigers. Dogs were brought into the monastery to prevent tigers from attacking novices and cats were brought in to stop rats eating the Pali sutta books.
a dog can stop a tiger from attacking novices?
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Re: Natural Pest Control

Post by Sam Vara » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:23 am

TRobinson465 wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:11 am
a dog can stop a tiger from attacking novices?
While the tiger is eating the dog, the novice has time to run away...

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Re: Natural Pest Control

Post by DooDoot » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:27 am

Sam Vara wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:23 am
While the tiger is eating the dog, the novice has time to run away...
Yes. And the parents of the boy novices won't get angry at the monks and lose faith in the Triple Gem.

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Re: Natural Pest Control

Post by TRobinson465 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:30 am

Sam Vara wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:23 am
TRobinson465 wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:11 am
a dog can stop a tiger from attacking novices?
While the tiger is eating the dog, the novice has time to run away...
ohhhhh. That sounds awful....
"Do not have blind faith, but also no blind criticism"

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Re: Natural Pest Control

Post by TRobinson465 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:32 am

DooDoot wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:27 am
Sam Vara wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:23 am
While the tiger is eating the dog, the novice has time to run away...
Yes. And the parents of the boy novices won't get angry at the monks and lose faith in the Triple Gem.
Makes sense. Although that doesn't really prove its not bad kamma to do that. albeit lesser of two evils at worst.
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Re: Natural Pest Control

Post by Sam Vara » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:36 am

TRobinson465 wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:30 am
Sam Vara wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:23 am
TRobinson465 wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:11 am
a dog can stop a tiger from attacking novices?
While the tiger is eating the dog, the novice has time to run away...
ohhhhh. That sounds awful....
It's a very old joke.

We were camping in the woods, and my friend, who had gone to the toilet pit, came running screaming back to the main camp.

"What's happening?" we called. "What's the emergency?"

"I'm being chased by a huge grizzly bear"!!"

"You know you can't out-run a grizzly!" we replied.

"Yes, but I can out-run some of you!!"

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Re: Natural Pest Control

Post by dharmacorps » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:18 pm

I have a plastic Owl on my balcony which keeps pigeons away, because apparently pigeons are afraid of Owls. Why don't I want pigeons on my balcony? They poop on it and sometimes try to nest there. I don't think it causes any harm, because the pigeons just fly onto another balcony, usually my neighbors :)

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