Chanting and the 7th precept

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Chanting and the 7th precept

Post by EmptyShadow » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:11 am

I was wondering, does listening to chanting accompanied with music break the 7th precept?
"7. Nacca-gita-vadita-visuka-dassana veramani sikkhapadam samadiyami
I undertake the precept to refrain from dancing,singing, music, going to see entertainments."

Searching for some metta chanting I saw that in this site: http://www.buddhanet.net/chant-metta.htm thay recommend Imee Ooi chants(thay can be found in YouTube). Although thay are very beautiful thay are accompanied by music and tho thay have the wholesome content thay resemble alot like a song. Is it ok for a monastic or for someone following the 7th precept to listen to them?

Also is there any examples in the suttas about chaning accompanied by music instruments? And what's the difference between chanting and singing?

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Re: Chanting and the 7th precept

Post by dylanj » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:35 am

susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: Chanting and the 7th precept

Post by EmptyShadow » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:14 am

Thank you dylanj, that link is very helpful.
So from what I understand chanting with intonation is allowable but with drawbacks, as listed in Gītassara Sutta.
And I assume chanting accompanied with music would be out of line with the Dhamma.

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Re: Chanting and the 7th precept

Post by dylanj » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:16 am

The main thing I got from that thread was Bhikkhu Pesala's comment which by my understanding seems to suggest that intonation alone does not have drawbacks & is not what's being referred to by the sutta, but that melodic intonation i.e. singing is the problem.

So using tone for the sake of smooth & pleasant chanting is not the problem, music is.
susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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