Third precept
Third precept
Is there stated in vinaya lay people prohibited from engage in oral sex , masturbation and frequenting prostitute if not married or even they already married ?

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The vinaya is the rules and procedures governing the monastic sangha, so wouldn't deal with this sort of thing. Are there other areas of the vinaya that relate to the private behaviour of married people? I've not heard of any such proscription in any part of the tipitaka, although there are obviously teachings relating to sensuality in general.
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I was thinking of other related information about it probably someone might have the knowledge .Sam Vara wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:52 amThe vinaya is the rules and procedures governing the monastic sangha, so wouldn't deal with this sort of thing. Are there other areas of the vinaya that relate to the private behaviour of married people? I've not heard of any such proscription in any part of the tipitaka, although there are obviously teachings relating to sensuality in general.
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16. 'In what has the world originated?' — so said the Yakkha Hemavata, — 'with what is the world intimate? by what is the world afflicted, after having grasped at what?' (167)
17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)
- Hemavatasutta
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17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)
- Hemavatasutta
links:
https://www.ancient-buddhist-texts.net/index.htm
http://thaiforestwisdom.org/canonical-texts/
http://seeingthroughthenet.net/wp-conte ... _Heart.pdf
https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
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Do a search in this Sila forum for the word "sexual" and it will point you to a great variety of posts dealing with these issues.
EDIT:......or more specifically directed to the specific ideas you present in the OP I suggest searching for "oral".
chownah
EDIT:......or more specifically directed to the specific ideas you present in the OP I suggest searching for "oral".
chownah
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Buddhism and Sex
we must distinguish between the rules undertaken by Buddhist monks for their own conduct, and any guiding principles for lay people.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/aut ... el225.html
we must distinguish between the rules undertaken by Buddhist monks for their own conduct, and any guiding principles for lay people.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/aut ... el225.html
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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What is the meaning of woman protected by dhamma ?salayatananirodha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:30 pmwww.buddha-vacana.org/sutta/anguttara/1 ... micchacara

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Women keeping brahmacarī vows (i.e., bhikkhunīs, sāmaṇerīs, sikkhamānās and eight-precept upāsikās) and (in later texts) consanguineous female relatives.
“Keep to your own pastures, bhikkhus, walk in the haunts where your fathers roamed.
If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
— Cakkavattisīhanāda Sutta
If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
— Cakkavattisīhanāda Sutta
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Thanks venerable , why is it women liable to punishment is in the protected category ?Dhammanando wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:33 pmWomen keeping brahmacarī vows (i.e., bhikkhunīs, sāmaṇerīs, sikkhamānās and eight-precept upāsikās) and (in later texts) consanguineous female relatives.
And did the Buddha ever mentioned about other than Protected candidate concerning lay people sexual misconduct behavior that would violate third precept , is there anything about how lay people should or shouldn't acts in the intimacy relationship that violates the third precept ?

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That's just a poor translation. A saparidaṇḍā isn't a "woman liable to punishment", but rather a "woman in connection with whom a punishment has been set." The Vinaya defines the term as: "a girl who's been promised to someone, whose name has been put on a public notice set up in a village, house, or street announcing a penalty for anyone who goes to her."
The early texts don't go further than specifying the kind of sexual partners who are off limits. The specifications taught by some Mahayana teachers regarding appropriate and inappropriate methods and orifices, right and wrong places and times, etc., all come from very late texts and aren't found in any Theravadin sources at all. The East Asians usually get them from the Upāsakaśīla Sūtra and the Tibetans from Vaśubandhu's auto-commentary to the Abhidharmakośa.sentinel wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:36 pmAnd did the Buddha ever mentioned about other than Protected candidate concerning lay people sexual misconduct behavior that would violate third precept , is there anything about how lay people should or shouldn't acts in the intimacy relationship that violates the third precept ?
“Keep to your own pastures, bhikkhus, walk in the haunts where your fathers roamed.
If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
— Cakkavattisīhanāda Sutta
If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
— Cakkavattisīhanāda Sutta
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Thanks venerable .Dhammanando wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:32 amThat's just a poor translation. A saparidaṇḍā isn't a "woman liable to punishment", but rather a "woman in connection with whom a punishment has been set." The Vinaya defines the term as: "a girl who's been promised to someone, whose name has been put on a public notice set up in a village, house, or street announcing a penalty for anyone who goes to her."
The early texts don't go further than specifying the kind of sexual partners who are off limits. The specifications taught by some Mahayana teachers regarding appropriate and inappropriate methods and orifices, right and wrong places and times, etc., all come from very late texts and aren't found in any Theravadin sources at all. The East Asians usually get them from the Upāsakaśīla Sūtra and the Tibetans from Vaśubandhu's auto-commentary to the Abhidharmakośa.sentinel wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:36 pmAnd did the Buddha ever mentioned about other than Protected candidate concerning lay people sexual misconduct behavior that would violate third precept , is there anything about how lay people should or shouldn't acts in the intimacy relationship that violates the third precept ?

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