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Sayadaw U Tejaniya 'Right attitude for meditation'

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:31 pm
by cooran
Hello all,

What is the Right Attitude for Meditation?

1. Meditating is acknowledging and observing whatever happens —whether pleasant or unpleasant—in a relaxed way.

2. Meditating is watching and waiting patiently with awareness and understanding. Meditation is NOT trying to experience something
you have read or heard about.

3. Just pay attention to the present moment. Don’t get lost in thoughts about the past.
Don’t get carried away by thoughts about the future.

4. When meditating, both the mind and the body should be comfortable.

5. If the mind and the body are getting tired, something is wrong with the way you are practising, and it is time to check the way you are meditating.

6. Why do you focus so hard when you meditate? Do you want something? Do you want something to happen? Do you want something to stop happening?
Check to see if one of these attitudes is present.

7. The meditating mind should be relaxed and at peace. You cannot practise when the mind is tense.

8. Don’t focus too hard, don’t control. Neither force nor restrict yourself.

9. Don’t try to create anything, and don’t reject what is happening.
Just be aware.

10. Trying to create something is greed. Rejecting what is happening is aversion. Not knowing if something is happening or has stopped happening is delusion.

11. Only to the extent that the observing mind has no greed, aversion or anxiety are you truly meditating.

12. Don’t have any expectations, don’t want anything, don’t be anxious, because if these attitudes are in your mind, it becomes difficult to meditate.

13. You are not trying to make things turn out the way you want them to happen. You are trying to know what is happening as it is.

14. What is the mind doing? Thinking? Being aware?

15. Where is the mind now? Inside? Outside?

16. Is the watching or observing mind properly aware or only superficially aware?

17. Don’t practise with a mind that wants something or wants something to happen. The result will only be that you tire yourself out.

18. You have to accept and watch both good and bad experiences. You want only good experiences? You don’t want even the tiniest unpleasant experience?
Is that reasonable? Is this the way of the Dhamma!

19. You have to double check to see what attitude you are meditating with. A light and free mind enables you to meditate well.
Do you have the right attitude?

20. Don’t feel disturbed by the thinking mind. You are not practising to prevent thinking; but rather to recognize and acknowledge thinking whenever it
arises.

21. Don’t reject any object that comes to your attention. Get to know the defilements that arise in relation to the object and keep examining the defilements.

22. The object of attention is not really important; the observing mind that is working in the background to be aware is of real importance.
If the observing is done with the right attitude, any object is the right object.

23. Only when there is faith or confidence (saddhā), effort will arise. Only when there is effort (viriya), mindfulness will become continuous.
Only when mindfulness (sati) is continuous, stability of mind will become established.
Only when stability of mind is established (samādhi), you will start understanding things as they are.
When you start understanding things as they are (paññā), faith will grow stronger.
http://sayadawutejaniya.org/teachings/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

with metta
Chris

Re: Sayadaw U Tejaniya 'Right attitude for meditation'

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:33 pm
by bodom
:thumbsup:

Thanks for posting Chris.

:anjali:

Re: Sayadaw U Tejaniya 'Right attitude for meditation'

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:23 pm
by Goofaholix
From my experience attitude is more important than technique, I think if teachers stressed them more beginning meditators wouldn't get so uptight about the technique and what to expect.

Re: Sayadaw U Tejaniya 'Right attitude for meditation'

Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 9:52 pm
by Khalil Bodhi
Hi Chris,

Thanks for posting this. I just saw it now when you linked to it from another post and I felt it deserved a bump. Metta!

Re: Sayadaw U Tejaniya 'Right attitude for meditation'

Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 10:20 pm
by rowyourboat
It would be an interesting exercise to see how much if this is reflected in the Buddha's words.

With metta

Re: Sayadaw U Tejaniya 'Right attitude for meditation'

Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 11:13 pm
by cooran
rowyourboat wrote:It would be an interesting exercise to see how much if this is reflected in the Buddha's words.

With metta
Hello Mateesha,

Show us the parts that you maintain are or aren't reflected in the Buddha's words, with links to the Tipitaka.

with metta
Chris

Re: Sayadaw U Tejaniya 'Right attitude for meditation'

Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:24 pm
by rowyourboat
[quote="cooran"]

Hi Cooran,

Now posting sutta links for everything would take too much time

1. Meditating is acknowledging and observing whatever happens —whether pleasant or unpleasant—in a relaxed way.
[actually we are not expected to be the guard who is very aware of the thief stealing everything, but takes no action. We should not just watch akusala, but stop/prevent it from happening]

2. Meditating is watching and waiting patiently with awareness and understanding. Meditation is NOT trying to experience something you have read or heard about.[the Buddha praised stream entry, jhanas etc. This is not goalless.]

3. Just pay attention to the present moment. Don’t get lost in thoughts about the past.
Don’t get carried away by thoughts about the future.[there is also yonisomanasikara - directly 'applying' the teachings to our current experience - it is NOT bare awareness]

4. When meditating, both the mind and the body should be comfortable.[I was tempted to say 'only in samatha' but I think I agree with this]

5. If the mind and the body are getting tired, something is wrong with the way you are practising, and it is time to check the way you are meditating.[hardly, the Sudha sutta talk about what to do, after you have engaged in the satipatthana to the point of getting tired. This is a path of great effort/viriya]

6. Why do you focus so hard when you meditate? Do you want something? Do you want something to happen? Do you want something to stop happening?
Check to see if one of these attitudes is present.[agreed, but concentration should not be lax either, otherwise you will simply fall into thoughts, distraction and sleepiness.]

7. The meditating mind should be relaxed and at peace. You cannot practise when the mind is tense.[it is possible to be aware of some mental tubulance- you should not wait for perfect peace before starting meditation- the Buddha says the antidote for an agitated mind is anapanasati]

8. Don’t focus too hard, don’t control. Neither force nor restrict yourself.[see above]

9. Don’t try to create anything, and don’t reject what is happening.
Just be aware.[see above. The Vitakkasantana sutta for example gives many things to be removed from the mind, if you become aware of them]

10. Trying to create something is greed. Rejecting what is happening is aversion. Not knowing if something is happening or has stopped happening is delusion.[..a very limited definition of the three poisons]

11. Only to the extent that the observing mind has no greed, aversion or anxiety are you truly meditating.[this is the end result of it, not the prerequisites of meditation]

12. Don’t have any expectations, don’t want anything, don’t be anxious, because if these attitudes are in your mind, it becomes difficult to meditate.[true ..to some degree, we don't want people with no motivation either]

13. You are not trying to make things turn out the way you want them to happen. You are trying to know what is happening as it is.[fair enough]

14. What is the mind doing? Thinking? Being aware?

15. Where is the mind now? Inside? Outside? [outside?]

16. Is the watching or observing mind properly aware or only superficially aware?[nice one]

17. Don’t practise with a mind that wants something or wants something to happen. The result will only be that you tire yourself out.

18. You have to accept and watch both good and bad experiences. You want only good experiences? You don’t want even the tiniest unpleasant experience?
Is that reasonable? Is this the way of the dhamma?
http://sayadawutejaniya.org/teachings/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ok, got to go,

With metta

Matheesha

Ps- this is the 'thin gruel' mindfulness only path of meditation, for those 'poor in view'.

Re: Sayadaw U Tejaniya 'Right attitude for meditation'

Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 6:18 am
by Freawaru
I agree with Matheesha. This list is only for pure insight method and here only for beginners. Advanced students are able to observe emotions and intentions and a tired mind and body even in the pure insight method.

Re: Sayadaw U Tejaniya 'Right attitude for meditation'

Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 7:32 am
by cooran
Freeawaru said: This list is only for pure insight method and here only for beginners.
:smile: Exactly who it was written for. It wasn't meant to be a dissertation for arguement and discussion. :smile:

with metta
Chris

Re: Sayadaw U Tejaniya 'Right attitude for meditation'

Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 7:43 am
by Freawaru
cooran wrote:
Freeawaru said: This list is only for pure insight method and here only for beginners.
:smile: Exactly who it was written for. It wasn't meant to be a dissertation for arguement and discussion. :smile:

with metta
Chris

:smile:

Re: Sayadaw U Tejaniya 'Right attitude for meditation'

Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 5:43 pm
by rowyourboat
Agreed. But often there isn't anything much more on offer and people are left with mistaken belief that this is all there is ..or am I chasing a straw man of my own creation? :tongue:

Re: Sayadaw U Tejaniya 'Right attitude for meditation'

Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 7:32 pm
by Goofaholix
rowyourboat wrote:..or am I chasing a straw man of my own creation? :tongue:
yes

Re: Sayadaw U Tejaniya 'Right attitude for meditation'

Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 7:44 pm
by rowyourboat
:jumping:

Re: Sayadaw U Tejaniya 'Right attitude for meditation'

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 6:16 am
by Freawaru
rowyourboat wrote:Agreed. But often there isn't anything much more on offer and people are left with mistaken belief that this is all there is ..or am I chasing a straw man of my own creation? :tongue:
I think it is not that there isn't anything much more on offer in itself but that people stop looking and feel all too sure that what they learned on a few retreats (or from a few books or weblinks) is all there is to learn about meditation. Bhante G addresses this wide-spread attitude to meditation here.
One of the most difficult things to learn is that mindfulness is not dependent on any emotional or mental state. We have certain images of meditation. Meditation is something done in quiet caves by tranquil people who move slowly. Those are training conditions. They are set up to foster concentration and to learn the skill of mindfulness. Once you have learned that skill, however, you can dispense with the training restrictions, and you should. You don't need to move at a snail's pace to be mindful. You don't even need to be calm. You can be mindful while solving problems in intensive calculus. You can be mindful in the middle of a football scrimmage. You can even be mindful in the midst of a raging fury. Mental and physical activities are no bar to mindfulness. If you find your mind extremely active, then simply observe the nature and degree of that activity. http://www.vipassana.com/meditation/min ... ish_16.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Sayadaw U Tejaniya 'Right attitude for meditation'

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:21 pm
by rowyourboat
Hi Freewaru,

Yes, and what happened to anicca, dukkha and anatta? These people will never become disenchanted with phenomena, but go on to seek a peaceful existence in samsara- not a bad thing in itself, but not the Buddha's teaching :shrug:

With metta