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SN Goenka

Post by Collective » Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:38 am

I've read a little about SN Goenka, he's highly praised here. Why is this, does he teach differently, or is he just an excellent teacher?

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Re: SN Goenka

Post by Sanghamitta » Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:43 am

The latter largely Collective...his teaching has its own flavour but he comes from a well established school of Vipassana teachers.
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Re: SN Goenka

Post by cooran » Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:52 am

Hello Collective,

This article in Shambala Sun may be of assistance. Even the Dalai Lama sent some lamas to Goenka-ji’s courses.
The Universal Meditation Technique of S.N. Goenka
Norman Fischer interviews S.N. Goenka

http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.php?o ... mitstart=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Goenka-ji has trained hundreds of assistant teachers, and disciples have set up residential retreat centres around the world where Retreats are by donation.

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Re: SN Goenka

Post by Collective » Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:38 pm

I've just read that article, as you were posting. Very good read.

Can someone recommend a book on meditation by SN Goenka?

Thank you

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Re: SN Goenka

Post by Collective » Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:46 pm

Is anapanasati to do with vipassana or samatha?

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Re: SN Goenka

Post by pilgrim » Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:20 pm

Collective wrote:Is anapanasati to do with vipassana or samatha?
Anapanasati, the awareness of the breath, is one of the objects of meditation. It is often used in samatha meditation or concentration, together with other exercises described in the Satipatthana sutta to develop vipassana or the quality of insight.

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Re: SN Goenka

Post by rowyourboat » Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:55 pm

Hi Collective

You might consider why something is popular.

You might consider why someone is famous.

You might consider whether the dhamma is popular.

you might consider whether nibbana is a popular destination.


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Re: SN Goenka

Post by tiltbillings » Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:06 pm

rowyourboat wrote:Hi Collective

You might consider why something is popular.

You might consider why someone is famous.

You might consider whether the dhamma is popular.

you might consider whether nibbana is a popular destination.


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And you might to consider why someone chooses to be passive-aggressive in regards Goenka..
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

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Re: SN Goenka

Post by rowyourboat » Sat Oct 23, 2010 4:23 pm

Indeed.
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Re: SN Goenka

Post by Collective » Sat Oct 23, 2010 5:44 pm

Sorry but you lost me.

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Re: SN Goenka

Post by cooran » Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:59 pm

Hello Collective,

Wisdom books has quite a few:
http://www.wisdom-books.com/Author.asp? ... nka%2C+S+N" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Also I hope Ben replies in this thread as he has been practising under Goenka-ji for many years with great results.
Even sat with him in India as I recall, and is about to go to Myanmar for a long retreat.

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Re: SN Goenka

Post by Collective » Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:36 pm

cooran wrote:Hello Collective,

Wisdom books has quite a few:
http://www.wisdom-books.com/Author.asp? ... nka%2C+S+N" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Also I hope Ben replies in this thread as he has been practising under Goenka-ji for many years with great results.
Even sat with him in India as I recall, and is about to go to Myanmar for a long retreat.

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Awesome, thank you

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Re: SN Goenka

Post by tiltbillings » Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:47 pm

Collective wrote:Sorry but you lost me.
It is probably a safe bet that rowyourboat does not think highly of Goenka, but is saying it in a less than direct manner.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: SN Goenka

Post by Ben » Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:36 am

Hi Collective,
Collective wrote:I've just read that article, as you were posting. Very good read.

Can someone recommend a book on meditation by SN Goenka?

Thank you
I have been a student of SN Goenka (exclusively) for 25 years. In that time I have sat and served on many courses in Australia, India and NZ. I recommend the 10-day course experience for most people but its not for everyone. If you are interested, have the inclination, the time available and feel mentally and physically strong enough to be secluded from the world for ten days, then I would say 'go for it'. Goenkaji hasn't produced a book on meditation because he believes the best way that people can learn and get the benefits of establishing practice (in this tradition) is to attend a ten-day course. For an excellent intro, I recommend William Hart's "Art of Living".
There is some introductory material on the main vipassana website: http://www.dhamma.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - be sure to check out the document 'art of living' on this site (different to William Hart's book), the code of discipline, and various videos.

and also on the Vipassana International Acadamy: http://www.vri.dhamma.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; as there is some additional information on this site.
If you have any further queries, you are more than welcome to contact me directly (if I don't respond to your questions on this thread).
kind regards

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Re: SN Goenka

Post by Sanghamitta » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:32 am

Well said Ben. I would add that feeling a need to question a practice or because it didn't or doesn't suit us personally is not altogether skillful.
We are fortunate to have been bequeathed a number of different meditative practices. Some suit one person . they suit another person less. Goenka's way of Vipassana I find very helpful indeed.
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Re: SN Goenka

Post by Ben » Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:33 am

Sanghamitta wrote:Well said Ben. I would add that feeling a need to question a practice or because it didn't or doesn't suit us personally is not altogether skillful.
We are fortunate to have been bequeathed a number of different meditative practices. Some suit one person . they suit another person less. Goenka's way of Vipassana I find very helpful indeed.
Indeed!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: SN Goenka

Post by BlackBird » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:43 pm

As someone who has never taken a course, an 'outsider' if you will - I have to say that some of the best Buddhists I know are students of the Goenka system. I have some reservations about the way sankhara is interpreted and seen as something to 'burn off', but at the end of the day if I am to lay a side my personal views and survey the results: The amount of praise he gets from students who have taken courses is very voluminous indeed.

If you haven't seen it, there's a video floating around the youtubes about Indian prisoners who we're all given the option of taking a Goenka course - It was massive, hundreds or even thousands took the course. Many of them we're interviewed at the end and later on to see what they thought, and the changes in their outlook and behaviour were amazing.

From what I can see, the Goenka method seems to churn out compassion, equanimity, friendliness and an overall sense of peace in those who practice it well (exceptions granted) and I think that speaks for itself.

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Re: SN Goenka

Post by Collective » Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:14 am

Thank you all very much, I shall follow up your advice

Unfortunately though, as far as day retreats are concerned - I have a wife and 3 children. Also, there's not a vipassana class for miles, let alone a retreat.

I get everything from books, vids and coming here

For which I'm very thankful :namaste:

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Re: SN Goenka

Post by Ben » Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:24 am

No problems, Collective!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: SN Goenka

Post by Jack » Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:44 pm

Collective wrote:Is anapanasati to do with vipassana or samatha?
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Ananasatti meaning mindfulness of the breath can be used for both vipassana or samatha. The Anapanasati Sutta defines a meditation which includes both in one meditation.

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