Hand movement during meditation

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LuisR
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Hand movement during meditation

Post by LuisR » Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:37 pm

I recently came across a book where the instructions are to move your arm to get concentrated You move your in a up and down motion. It was based on a method by a Thai monk. Does anyone have experience with this?

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Re: Hand movement during meditation

Post by TRobinson465 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:28 pm

If you are moving your hand really mindfully i find that it helps with concentration sometimes. sorta like walking meditation but instead doing hand movements while you sit.
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Re: Hand movement during meditation

Post by Sam Vara » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:53 pm

Do you mean this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahasati_meditation



I've no personal experience, but have seen it done. I knew someone who had problems walking, and so he did this form instead.

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Re: Hand movement during meditation

Post by mikenz66 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:49 pm

TRobinson465 wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:28 pm
If you are moving your hand really mindfully i find that it helps with concentration sometimes. sorta like walking meditation but instead doing hand movements while you sit.
Yes, and there are different levels of this. The Mahasati (no to be confused with Sayadaw Mahasi!) movements demonstrated above can be useful as an alternative to walking when walking is not practical (e.g. in a crowded hall). I was also encouraged to use mindful movements when transitioning to and from sitting meditation. For example, I usually sit down with the hands on the thighs, then mindfully move one, then the other hand to the lap, then mindfully close the eyes. I reverse the sequence at the end of the sitting.

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Re: Hand movement during meditation

Post by dharmacorps » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:59 pm

Thanks Sam for posting that. I had never hear of this kind of meditation but it will be helpful to those with mobility issues.

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Re: Hand movement during meditation

Post by Dhammanando » Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:41 pm

Sam Vara wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:53 pm
Do you mean this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahasati_meditation
If the arm movements are just up and down (as stated in the OP), then it's more likely to be the method of Ajahn Dhammadharo, the late abbot of Wat Sai Ngam in Suphanburi. Dhammadharo (not to be confused with Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo) was the teacher of Ajahn Jumnien and Chris Titmus.



I've never practised the method myself and frankly can't make head or tail of it. Here's an exposition by his Thai disciple Phra Paññāvuḍḍho:

http://ftp.budaedu.org/ebooks/pdf/EN173.pdf

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Re: Hand movement during meditation

Post by TRobinson465 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:53 pm

I have tried this technique. From my experience it works well if you have already developed a reasonably high state of concentration. It's good for if you need to adjust your position. And good to practice if you are having trouble maintaining your concentration during a session or something you can do arm movements in place of walking meditation.
"Do not have blind faith, but also no blind criticism" - the 14th Dalai Lama

"At Varanasi, in the Deer Park at Isipatana, the Blessed One has set in motion the unexcelled Wheel of Dhamma that cannot be stopped by brahmins, devas, Maras, Brahmas or anyone in the cosmos." -Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta

"Go forth, monks, for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction." - First Khandhaka, Chapter 11, Vinaya.

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Re: Hand movement during meditation

Post by TRobinson465 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:54 pm

From my experience it's good to do briefly. Until your mind becomes still again. Not like the whole session or something
"Do not have blind faith, but also no blind criticism" - the 14th Dalai Lama

"At Varanasi, in the Deer Park at Isipatana, the Blessed One has set in motion the unexcelled Wheel of Dhamma that cannot be stopped by brahmins, devas, Maras, Brahmas or anyone in the cosmos." -Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta

"Go forth, monks, for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction." - First Khandhaka, Chapter 11, Vinaya.

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Re: Hand movement during meditation

Post by LuisR » Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:10 pm

Thanks for the replies.


Yes this is the one I was talking about .. I was wondering if anyone has tried it out and how it has worked for them.
Dhammanando wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:41 pm
Sam Vara wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:53 pm
Do you mean this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahasati_meditation
If the arm movements are just up and down (as stated in the OP), then it's more likely to be the method of Ajahn Dhammadharo, the late abbot of Wat Sai Ngam in Suphanburi. Dhammadharo (not to be confused with Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo) was the teacher of Ajahn Jumnien and Chris Titmus.



I've never practised the method myself and frankly can't make head or tail of it. Here's an exposition by his Thai disciple Phra Paññāvuḍḍho:

http://ftp.budaedu.org/ebooks/pdf/EN173.pdf

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