User1249x wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:23 pmi have no idea as i have not reached the 1st jhana.
When the 1st jhana is reached, all doubts will obviously disappear.
User1249x wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:23 pmWhen i sit i feel pleasure, serenity and breath gets calmed, if i sit long enough i get to a point where intense pleasant feeling comes as a full bodyhigh, it is similar every time and assume it to be piti but i have not been able to keep it going, presumably because i get excited and try different things each time it arises.
If the mind can volitionally
induce pleasure; that appears to be some degree of mastery over the mind. However, I image the rapture of jhana is born of letting go (per SN 48.10) and thus is something born of
inclining towards the non-volitional unconditioned. The closer to the unconditioned, the greater the permanence.