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Buddha body weren't ordinary

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:39 am
by auto
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/DN/DN16.html
Then four leading Mallans, having bathed their heads and wearing new linen cloth, thinking, “We’ll ignite the Blessed One’s pyre,” were unable to ignite it. So the Kusinārā Mallans asked Ven. Anuruddha, “What is the reason, Ven. Anuruddha, what is the cause, why these four leading Mallans, having bathed their heads and wearing new linen cloth, thinking, ‘We’ll ignite the Blessed One’s pyre,’ are unable to ignite it?”
“Your intention, Vāsiṭṭhas, is one thing. The devas’ intention is another.”
“But what, Ven. Anuruddha, is the devas’ intention?”
“The devas’ intention, Vāsiṭṭhas, is, ‘This Ven. Mahā Kassapa is traveling on the highway from Pāvā to Kusinārā with a large Saṅgha of monks, approximately 500 monks in all. The Blessed One’s pyre will not catch fire until Ven. Mahā Kassapa has worshipped the Blessed One’s feet with his bathed head.’”
“Then let it be, venerable sir, in line with the devas’ intention.”
So Ven. Mahā Kassapa went to the Blessed One’s pyre at Makuṭa-bandhana, the Mallans’ memorial near Kusinārā. On arrival, arranging his robe over one shoulder, he placed his hands palm-to-palm over his heart, circumambulated the pyre three times, uncovered the Blessed One’s feet,56 and worshipped them with his head. And the 500 monks, arranging their robes over one shoulder, placed their hands palm-to-palm over their hearts, circumambulated the pyre three times, and worshipped the Blessed One’s feet with their heads. As soon as it had been worshipped by Ven. Mahā Kassapa and the 500 monks, the Blessed One’s pyre caught fire of its own accord. In the burning of the Blessed One’s body, no cinder or ash of the outer skin, inner skin, flesh, tendons, or oil of the joints could be discerned. Only the bone-relics57 remained. Just as in the burning of ghee or oil, no cinder or ash can be discerned; in the same way, in the burning of the Blessed One’s body, no cinder or ash of the outer skin, inner skin, flesh, tendons, or oil of the joints could be discerned. Only the bone-relics remained. And of the five hundred twin-wrappings, only two were burnt: the innermost & the outermost.

Re: Buddha body weren't ordinary

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:16 am
by JamesTheGiant
And? So what?
PLEASE can people stop posting just links, or just quotes, with no comment on why they posted it.
Also, this is in the Meditation sub-forum.
auto wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:39 am
then

Re: Buddha body weren't ordinary

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:50 am
by Pseudobabble
Getting into a whole load of supernatural stuff (32 marks, the body didn't burn until blah, the intentions of devas, blah blah) is actually not even tangential to practice - its just not relevant.

The most relevant part of that sutta is:
DN16 wrote: "Now, then, monks, I exhort you: All fabrications are subject to decay. Bring about completion by being heedful."

Re: Buddha body weren't ordinary

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:13 am
by salayatananirodha
This could fall under recollecting the buddha. Thus part of the meditation forum.
https://www.arrowriver.ca/dhamma/budhsati.html

Re: Buddha body weren't ordinary

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:18 am
by auto
Pseudobabble wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:50 am
Getting into a whole load of supernatural stuff (32 marks, the body didn't burn until blah, the intentions of devas, blah blah) is actually not even tangential to practice - its just not relevant.

The most relevant part of that sutta is:
DN16 wrote: "Now, then, monks, I exhort you: All fabrications are subject to decay. Bring about completion by being heedful."
Then the Blessed One entered the first jhāna. Emerging from that he entered the second jhāna. Emerging from that, he entered the third… the fourth jhāna… the dimension of the infinitude of space… the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness… the dimension of nothingness… the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception. Emerging from that, he entered the cessation of perception & feeling.

Then Ven. Ānanda said to Ven. Anuruddha, “Ven. Anuruddha,50 the Blessed One is totally unbound.”

“No, friend Ānanda. The Blessed One isn’t totally unbound. He has entered the cessation of perception & feeling.”

Then the Blessed One, emerging from the cessation of perception & feeling, entered the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception. Emerging from that, he entered the dimension of nothingness… the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness… the dimension of the infinitude of space… the fourth jhāna… the third… the second… the first jhāna. Emerging from the first jhāna he entered the second… the third… the fourth jhāna. Emerging from the fourth jhāna, he immediately totally unbound.
When the Blessed One totally unbound, simultaneously with the total unbinding, there was a great earthquake, awesome & hair-raising, and rolls of the deva-drums split (the air).51
It seem when you near to total unbinding Jhanas start occur in fast intervals and at some point you can leave the body behind.
Then the Blessed One addressed the monks, “Now, then, monks, I exhort you: All fabrications are subject to ending & decay. Reach consummation through heedfulness.” That was the Tathāgata’s last statement.
Unbinding is to be so that you could leave the body. Not have to wait till body natural life spawn will end.


Also you can see that his verbal fabrication ended(with the last statement), also bodily fabrication, Ven.Anuruddha i think had a divine eye if i remember correctly
When the Blessed One totally unbound, simultaneously with the total unbinding, Ven. Anuruddha uttered this verse:

He had no in-&-out breathing,
the firm-minded one, the one who was Such,
imperturbable
& intent on peace:
the sage completing his span.
With heart unbowed
he endured the pain.
Like a flame’s unbinding
was the liberation
of awareness.

Re: Buddha body weren't ordinary

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:21 am
by Sam Vara
salayatananirodha wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:13 am
This could fall under recollecting the buddha. Thus part of the meditation forum.
https://www.arrowriver.ca/dhamma/budhsati.html
It could, but discussions generally go better when these things are clearly spelled out. If quoting chunks of suttas, it's usually best to state what one's intention is, and to draw attention to the relevant bit.

Re: Buddha body weren't ordinary

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:38 am
by auto
JamesTheGiant wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:16 am
And? So what?
PLEASE can people stop posting just links, or just quotes, with no comment on why they posted it.
Also, this is in the Meditation sub-forum.
auto wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:39 am
then
Jhana, and unbiding and cessation of fabrication seem like a rocket science. Im scared of the moment when the death happen. Getting shot or hit by a car seem like a cheating your way out compared to this.