Attainment goals to be wished

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Attainment goals to be wished

Post by auto » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:51 pm

https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN6.html

here some of the few main ones
“If a monk would wish, ‘May I—with the ending of (the first) three fetters—be a stream-winner, certain, never again destined for the lower realms, headed for self-awakening,’ then he should be one who brings the precepts to perfection, who is committed to inner tranquility of awareness, who doesn’t neglect jhāna, who is endowed with insight, and who frequents empty dwellings.
“If a monk would wish, ‘May I—with the ending of (the first) three fetters, and with the attenuation of passion, aversion, & delusion—be a once-returner, who, on returning only once more to this world, would make an ending to stress,’ then he should be one who brings the precepts to perfection, who is committed to inner tranquility of awareness, who doesn’t neglect jhāna, who is endowed with insight, and who frequents empty dwellings.
“If a monk would wish, ‘May I—with the ending of the five lower fetters, be one who is due to arise spontaneously (in the Pure Abodes), there to be totally unbound, destined never again to return from that world,’ then he should be one who brings the precepts to perfection, who is committed to inner tranquility of awareness, who doesn’t neglect jhāna, who is endowed with insight, and who frequents empty dwellings.
“If a monk would wish, ‘May I wield manifold supranormal powers. Having been one, may I become many; having been many, may I become one. May I appear & vanish. May I go unimpeded through walls, ramparts, & mountains as if through space. May I dive in & out of the earth as if it were water. May I walk on water without sinking as if it were dry land. Sitting cross-legged, may I fly through the air like a winged bird. With my hand may I touch & stroke even the sun and moon, so mighty and powerful. May I influence with my body even as far as the Brahmā worlds,’ then he should be one who brings the precepts to perfection, who is committed to inner tranquility of awareness, who doesn’t neglect jhāna, who is endowed with insight, and who frequents empty dwellings.

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Re: Attainment goals to be wished

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:32 am

if you have enough faith in the buddha or the dhamma you will attain stream entry before passing away
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Re: Attainment goals to be wished

Post by paul » Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:53 am

One who accepts impermanence is irrevocably on the path to stream-entry:
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html

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Re: Attainment goals to be wished

Post by Sam Vara » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:53 am

paul wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:53 am
One who accepts impermanence is irrevocably on the path to stream-entry:
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
Thanks, Paul. :anjali: I wonder how many contributors to Dhamma Wheel have already met this apparently modest criterion?
One who, after pondering with a modicum of discernment, has accepted that these phenomena are this way is called a Dhamma-follower: one who has entered the orderliness of rightness, entered the plane of people of integrity, transcended the plane of the run-of-the-mill. He is incapable of doing any deed by which he might be reborn in hell, in the animal womb, or in the realm of hungry shades. He is incapable of passing away until he has realized the fruit of stream-entry.
Sujato makes it sound slightly more stringent by translating the requirement as
Someone who accepts these principles after considering them with a degree of wisdom
But in any case, stream entry in this life. Both are a bit indeterminate, and would presumably allow the deluded to merely accept the idea intellectually and decouple it from whatever "modicum" or "degree" of Pañña is required.

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Re: Attainment goals to be wished

Post by Bundokji » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:18 pm

paul wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:53 am
One who accepts impermanence is irrevocably on the path to stream-entry:
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
I think the word "accepting" in Buddhism means "to stop resisting" while in daily use it has more active/positive connotations.
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.

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Re: Attainment goals to be wished

Post by auto » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:12 pm

"empty dwellings"- i have thought what it is meant by that.

In this Sutta it is, https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
"There are some brahmans & contemplatives, brahman, who have the perception of 'day' when it is night, and of 'night' when it is day. This, I tell you, is their being in a dwelling of delusion. As for me, I have the perception of 'day' when it is day, and of 'night' when it is night. If anyone, when speaking rightly, were to say, 'A being not subject to delusion has appeared in the world for the benefit & happiness of many, out of sympathy for the world, for the welfare, benefit, & happiness of human & divine beings,' he would rightly be speaking of me.

a possible hint how that perception and dwelling in delusion may come, is a paragraph before that above quote,
What if I, in whatever state I'm in when fear & terror come to me, were to subdue that fear & terror in that very state?' So when fear & terror came to me while I was walking back & forth, I would not stand or sit or lie down. I would keep walking back & forth until I had subdued that fear & terror. When fear & terror came to me while I was standing, I would not walk or sit or lie down. I would keep standing until I had subdued that fear & terror. When fear & terror came to me while I was sitting, I would not lie down or stand up or walk. I would keep sitting until I had subdued that fear & terror. When fear & terror came to me while I was lying down, I would not sit up or stand or walk. I would keep lying down until I had subdued that fear & terror.
practicewise, i need remain in a state where the 'fear' came and subdue it there otherwise what happen is i have perception of 'fear' on different place where is some other feeling.

well actually the quote above previous quote explains,
"The thought occurred to me: 'What if — on recognized, designated nights such as the eighth, fourteenth, & fifteenth of the lunar fortnight — I were to stay in the sort of places that are awe-inspiring and make your hair stand on end, such as park-shrines, forest-shrines, & tree-shrines? Perhaps I would get to see that fear & terror.' So at a later time — on recognized, designated nights such as the eighth, fourteenth, & fifteenth of the lunar fortnight — I stayed in the sort of places that are awe-inspiring and make your hair stand on end, such as park-shrines, forest-shrines, & tree-shrines. And while I was staying there a wild animal would come, or a peacock would make a twig fall, or wind would rustle the fallen leaves. The thought would occur to me: 'Is this that fear & terror coming?' Then the thought occurred to me: 'Why do I just keep waiting for fear?
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"The thought occurred to me: 'When brahmans or contemplatives who are drooling idiots, resort to isolated forest or wilderness dwellings, it's the fault of their drooling idiocy that they give rise to unskillful fear & terror. But it's not the case that I am a drooling idiot, when I resort to isolated forest or wilderness dwellings. I am consummate in discernment. I am one of those noble ones who are consummate in discernment when they resort to isolated forest or wilderness dwellings.' Seeing in myself this consummate discernment, I felt even more undaunted about staying in the wilderness.

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Re: Attainment goals to be wished

Post by auto » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:55 pm

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
— on recognized, designated nights such as the eighth, fourteenth, & fifteenth of the lunar fortnight — I stayed in the sort of places that are awe-inspiring and make your hair stand on end, such as park-shrines, forest-shrines, & tree-shrines. And while I was staying there a wild animal would come, or a peacock would make a twig fall, or wind would rustle the fallen leaves. The thought would occur to me: 'Is this that fear & terror coming?'
' Then the thought occurred to me: 'Why do I just keep waiting for fear?
the fear is a being, what comes. So that is the being or self what is a link in SN suttas?

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
"Thus, from ignorance as a requisite condition come fabrications.
"From fabrications as a requisite condition comes consciousness.
"From consciousness as a requisite condition comes name-&-form.
"From name-&-form as a requisite condition come the six sense media.
"From the six sense media as a requisite condition comes contact.
"From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling.
"From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving.
"From craving as a requisite condition comes clinging/sustenance.
"From clinging/sustenance as a requisite condition comes becoming.
"From becoming as a requisite condition comes birth.

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Re: Attainment goals to be wished

Post by budo » Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:56 pm

This is a great thread, thank you for posting it and updating it.

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