In the attached video this monk Ven. Pemasiri explains how he wasted 20 years by following Mahasi and Goenka method.
He clearly explains the difference between Manasikara, Yonisomanasikara and Satismpagnana.
This video is not the best quality but if you are patient enough you can learn something very profound.
Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation
Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation
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That's sad for him, I guess. Clearly different approaches suit different people.
When someone is asking for help with a particular approach, I don't think it is useful to post criticisms from people who do not find that particular approach helpful.
I could easily find someone critical of any approach, but what would that prove?
Mike
Re: Finding Mahasi Sayadaw Meditation difficult
If you listen to this you will learn the pitfall of the wrong method of practicing Sati.That's sad for him, I guess. Clearly different approaches suit different people.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Finding Mahasi Sayadaw Meditation difficult
Since the speech on the video is almost incomprehesible to me, that's unlikely!
Of course, he's entitled to his opinion, and I wish him well with whatever approach he has found useful for him.
Re: Finding Mahasi Sayadaw Meditation difficult
Noting is the Mansikara and it is not the Yonisomanasikara.noting is intended as an aid to mindfulness, rather like counting the breaths in meditation.
The point of the video I posted above is all at this point.
This monk said that he wasted 20 years doing that.
Unfortunately, this video is not user-friendly.
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Re: Finding Mahasi Sayadaw Meditation difficult
I'm not sure I see the relevance here of wise and unwise attention.
But clearly the point is not to practice mindfulness of words ( noting ) or mindfulness of numbers ( breath counting ).
Buddha save me from new-agers!
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Yes. "Noting" just helps to establish mindfulness. But this method alone leads you nowhere, of course. You need also to put efforts in doing different things noted by mindfulness .) (path factor N6)Noting is the Mansikara and it is not the Yonisomanasikara.
The point of the video I posted above is all at this point.
This monk said that he wasted 20 years doing that.
Re: Finding Mahasi Sayadaw Meditation difficult
Well said. Naming/noting is a very minor part of the approach, and anyone who doesn't appreciate that can be safely ignored, in my opinion.
Mike
Re: Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation
When I was in an Acharn Naeb center ( back in the day) I met a sri lankan monk who felt the same way - he lived at Kandabodha center for years, before coming to thailand.
His coments were very helpful at the time for me: this was pre- internet and it was hard to get any balanced opinions.
Long story short - eventually I could see clearly that insight was not dependent on special situations or techniques. I respected mahasi way more than the scanning techniquerists - due to his deference to the Pali texts and scholarly knowledge- but still it seemed not the way.
Even the Acharn Naeb explanations/way has a degree( a small one) of contrivance, that IMHO, is counterproductive.
Anyway if anyone wants more of my thinking see Causes for wisdom thread.
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His coments were very helpful at the time for me: this was pre- internet and it was hard to get any balanced opinions.
Long story short - eventually I could see clearly that insight was not dependent on special situations or techniques. I respected mahasi way more than the scanning techniquerists - due to his deference to the Pali texts and scholarly knowledge- but still it seemed not the way.
Even the Acharn Naeb explanations/way has a degree( a small one) of contrivance, that IMHO, is counterproductive.
Anyway if anyone wants more of my thinking see Causes for wisdom thread.
viewtopic.php?t=15952
Re: Finding Mahasi Sayadaw Meditation difficult
This monk, if he is the one I am thinking of ( am I right Sarath?) was a well-known meditation master teaching burmese method .mikenz66 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:23 amThat's sad for him, I guess. Clearly different approaches suit different people.
When someone is asking for help with a particular approach, I don't think it is useful to post criticisms from people who do not find that particular approach helpful.
I could easily find someone critical of any approach, but what would that prove?
Mike
He might have misgivings about all the students he believes he sent in the wrong way, If that is so it is appropriate for him to let people know his current thinking..
edit: i just saw the other thread which this one was broken from. So that explains your comments - the video was a bit off topic.
Re: Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation
I just bump in to this video while I am browsing the you tube.am I right Sarath?)
Now I think he is from Kanduboda forest meditation centre.
I found some more videos and will confirm later.
In this particular video he said that he is not an Arahant.
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Re: Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation
Greetings Sarath,
If you happen to find anything written and translated into English from the bhikkhu, I would be interested in reading that.
Unfortunately, the sound on the video is not well mastered, and I suspect much is lost in translation.
If there is indeed a nugget of gold in there, it shouldn't be hard to explain it in words.
Metta,
Paul.
If you happen to find anything written and translated into English from the bhikkhu, I would be interested in reading that.
Unfortunately, the sound on the video is not well mastered, and I suspect much is lost in translation.
If there is indeed a nugget of gold in there, it shouldn't be hard to explain it in words.
Metta,
Paul.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
Re: Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation
The following video got English subtitles.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation
In the Dhamma class video, he talks about his teachers and how they died with full awareness.If there is indeed a nugget of gold in there, it shouldn't be hard to explain it in words.
There is nothing special that you and I do not know in this videos.
What I clearly learned from him was what is Manasikara, yonisomanasikara, and Satisampagnana.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation
Better to learn about these terms from suttas.What I clearly learned from him was what is Manasikara, yonisomanasikara, and Satisampagnana.