Sure, but does anyone argue differently? It would be like arguing that people who count the breath in meditation ( I don't ) aren't interested in developing samatha and vipassana.
Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation
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Buddha save me from new-agers!
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Some teachers say that "noting" alone is enough, because it "automatically" lessen your (noted) defilements. But this is not true. At the very least, even for someone this method is effective in blocking negative states (which sometimes happen), this does not work all the time. The Right Views, the desire and effort to get rid of defilements plays much more important role that "noting". Actually this is effective in itself without noting at all (but better with noting, ofc).Sure, but does anyone argue differently?
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I'd be interested to know which ones say that.
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I don't remember names, but I remember I heard/read that hundreds of times in lectures and books on the topic.I'd be interested to know which ones say that.
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Well, OK, I guess, but I've also come across a lot of in discussions like this.
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Interesting that people who are responding to this thread are being so dismissive rather than using it as a opportunity to learn something new. Have they attained nibbana already?
SarathW, can you please explain the difference between the two different types of Sati?
Thank you.
SarathW, can you please explain the difference between the two different types of Sati?
Thank you.
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Just finished watching the video, am I summing it up correctly in that he’s stating that the Mahasi-style noting is just attention, not mindfulness, and that one must examine thoughts, speech, action to see if there are any ignorance, greed, ill-will motivating those. That the more focused attention and decision to perform the speech or action, assuming it has no mitigating factors, without expecting results, is proper sati. And that proper sati and pañña can guard the mind from further defilements and give a chance to realize nibbana?
Those seem to make sense, just wanted to see if there are key points I missed or if I’m off the mark, as my memory isn’t always great.
Those seem to make sense, just wanted to see if there are key points I missed or if I’m off the mark, as my memory isn’t always great.
‘etaṃ santaṃ etaṃ paṇītaṃ yadidaṃ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭinissaggo taṇhākkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānan’
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Wouldn't noting constitute applied thought?
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I think Henepola Gunaratana has the same view, he thinks Sati is not something as simple as noting. You can see him talk about it in this video clipBijlefeld wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:18 am Just finished watching the video, am I summing it up correctly in that he’s stating that the Mahasi-style noting is just attention, not mindfulness, and that one must examine thoughts, speech, action to see if there are any ignorance, greed, ill-will motivating those. That the more focused attention and decision to perform the speech or action, assuming it has no mitigating factors, without expecting results, is proper sati. And that proper sati and pañña can guard the mind from further defilements and give a chance to realize nibbana?
Those seem to make sense, just wanted to see if there are key points I missed or if I’m off the mark, as my memory isn’t always great.
So Ven. Pemasiri (Video in the op) also seems to come from the Vipassana camp as well, since in his videos he's saying that he's too old for Jhana meditation and he did that when he was younger. So how does he practice "Vipassana" then? Just momentary concentration and not focusing on one object but instead whatever object arises in his attention? I'm still unclear what his method is.
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Of course not. Noting is just a minor aspect of the Mahasi approach, used as an aid to developing attention so that one can do the sort of things that Bhante Gunaratana describes.
Most of that video seems to be a criticism of the secular mindfulness approach of dissociating mindfulness from Dhamma.
Mike