Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation

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Re: Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation

Post by budo » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:00 am

Interesting that people who are responding to this thread are being so dismissive rather than using it as a opportunity to learn something new. Have they attained nibbana already?


SarathW, can you please explain the difference between the two different types of Sati?

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Re: Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation

Post by Bijlefeld » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:18 am

Just finished watching the video, am I summing it up correctly in that he’s stating that the Mahasi-style noting is just attention, not mindfulness, and that one must examine thoughts, speech, action to see if there are any ignorance, greed, ill-will motivating those. That the more focused attention and decision to perform the speech or action, assuming it has no mitigating factors, without expecting results, is proper sati. And that proper sati and pañña can guard the mind from further defilements and give a chance to realize nibbana?
Those seem to make sense, just wanted to see if there are key points I missed or if I’m off the mark, as my memory isn’t always great.
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Re: Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation

Post by rightviewftw » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:35 am

Wouldn't noting constitute applied thought?
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Re: Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation

Post by budo » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:11 pm

Bijlefeld wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:18 am
Just finished watching the video, am I summing it up correctly in that he’s stating that the Mahasi-style noting is just attention, not mindfulness, and that one must examine thoughts, speech, action to see if there are any ignorance, greed, ill-will motivating those. That the more focused attention and decision to perform the speech or action, assuming it has no mitigating factors, without expecting results, is proper sati. And that proper sati and pañña can guard the mind from further defilements and give a chance to realize nibbana?
Those seem to make sense, just wanted to see if there are key points I missed or if I’m off the mark, as my memory isn’t always great.
I think Henepola Gunaratana has the same view, he thinks Sati is not something as simple as noting. You can see him talk about it in this video clip

So Ven. Pemasiri (Video in the op) also seems to come from the Vipassana camp as well, since in his videos he's saying that he's too old for Jhana meditation and he did that when he was younger. So how does he practice "Vipassana" then? Just momentary concentration and not focusing on one object but instead whatever object arises in his attention? I'm still unclear what his method is.
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Re: Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation

Post by mikenz66 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:46 pm

budo wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:11 pm
I think Henepola Gunaratana has the same view, he thinks Sati is not something as simple as noting.
Of course not. Noting is just a minor aspect of the Mahasi approach, used as an aid to developing attention so that one can do the sort of things that Bhante Gunaratana describes.

Most of that video seems to be a criticism of the secular mindfulness approach of dissociating mindfulness from Dhamma.

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