Are Vipassana Nanas silly?

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Re: Are Vipassana Nanas silly?

Post by Zom » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:34 pm

In the end this does not change nothing, because everyone agrees with the highest level of concentration.
But this means nobody agrees on the milestones.
When we talk about a capability to concentrate, well, milestones, is that this important? we could as well say, one is able to be concentrated for 5 minutes or twenty, one hours, ten hours, or 3 days. Some teachers say ten hours is 1st jhana, some say it's 7th jhana, this is not a big deal. The practice is the same. We call this 1st jhana or 7th jhana, this should not change much.
This is wrong to think that jhana is just a simple act of concentration and nothing else. Suttas call jhanic state "acinteyyo" ("imponderable"), along with the knowledge of exact results of kamma, which is also listed there as "imponderable". Jhana is a unique and even "mystic" state of mind, if you want. This is why only from there you can manipulate physical and mental reality (yes, I mean super abilities like levitation, walking through walls, mind-reading, etc etc etc). Simple concentration will never let you do this, no matter for how long you concentrate ,)

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Re: Are Vipassana Nanas silly?

Post by Saengnapha » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:34 am

Zom wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:34 pm
In the end this does not change nothing, because everyone agrees with the highest level of concentration.
But this means nobody agrees on the milestones.
When we talk about a capability to concentrate, well, milestones, is that this important? we could as well say, one is able to be concentrated for 5 minutes or twenty, one hours, ten hours, or 3 days. Some teachers say ten hours is 1st jhana, some say it's 7th jhana, this is not a big deal. The practice is the same. We call this 1st jhana or 7th jhana, this should not change much.
This is wrong to think that jhana is just a simple act of concentration and nothing else. Suttas call jhanic state "acinteyyo" ("imponderable"), along with the knowledge of exact results of kamma, which is also listed there as "imponderable". Jhana is a unique and even "mystic" state of mind, if you want. This is why only from there you can manipulate physical and mental reality (yes, I mean super abilities like levitation, walking through walls, mind-reading, etc etc etc). Simple concentration will never let you do this, no matter for how long you concentrate ,)
Cheap tricks, Zom. :o Your fascination is noted. :roll:

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Re: Are Vipassana Nanas silly?

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Re: Are Vipassana Nanas silly?

Post by Zom » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:39 am

Cheap tricks, Zom.
All there in the suttas. Need citations?

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Re: Are Vipassana Nanas silly?

Post by Saengnapha » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:21 pm

Zom wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:39 am
Cheap tricks, Zom.
All there in the suttas. Need citations?
What will that do? Help me escape from my boring experience?

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