How to Combine Loving-Kindness Meditation with Concentration Meditation?

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How to Combine Loving-Kindness Meditation with Concentration Meditation?

Post by asker » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:59 pm

How to Combine Loving-Kindness Meditation with Concentration Meditation?

I am trying to evoke the feelings of loving-kindness while going into deep theta delta mode but not really achieving much success.

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Re: How to Combine Loving-Kindness Meditation with Concentration Meditation?

Post by SarathW » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:22 pm

Loving-kindness meditation is a Samatha practice.
You concentrate on loving-kindness.
This is to suppress your anger generally.
There is nothing specific called concentration meditation.
In Samatha (concentration) meditation, you chose a meditation object from the 40 objects.

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Re: How to Combine Loving-Kindness Meditation with Concentration Meditation?

Post by befriend » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:49 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lionsr ... hanas/amp/ I am not sure if this is ok to do if you have a mental illness
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Re: How to Combine Loving-Kindness Meditation with Concentration Meditation?

Post by asker » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:16 am

SarathW wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:22 pm
Loving-kindness meditation is a Samatha practice.
You concentrate on loving-kindness.
This is to suppress your anger generally.
There is nothing specific called concentration meditation.
In Samatha (concentration) meditation, you chose a meditation object from the 40 objects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamma%E1% ... Dh%C4%81na
Hello SarathW, thank you for your teachings .. is it possible for me to reach the 4 Jhanas just by doing concentration samatha practice on loving-kindness? ..

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Re: How to Combine Loving-Kindness Meditation with Concentration Meditation?

Post by SarathW » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:37 am

asker wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:16 am
SarathW wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:22 pm
Loving-kindness meditation is a Samatha practice.
You concentrate on loving-kindness.
This is to suppress your anger generally.
There is nothing specific called concentration meditation.
In Samatha (concentration) meditation, you chose a meditation object from the 40 objects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamma%E1% ... Dh%C4%81na
Hello SarathW, thank you for your teachings .. is it possible for me to reach the 4 Jhanas just by doing concentration samatha practice on loving-kindness? ..
Yes, you can.
But a very knowledgeable monk from Sri Lanka said only the Yogis in a forest can attain that level of concentration.
For instance, I can't attain even the first Jhana yet.
However, this monk advises me to practice Vipassana and he said we have a better chance to attain some level of Nibbana at home.
So I practice Vipassana using walking method with some success.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: How to Combine Loving-Kindness Meditation with Concentration Meditation?

Post by bazzaman » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:55 pm

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Re: How to Combine Loving-Kindness Meditation with Concentration Meditation?

Post by bazzaman » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:55 pm

According to the Visuddhimagga (III 106 2) metta practice can lead to the first three jhanas; but not the fourth, which is characterised by equanimity. One can't be equanimous and loving at the same time.
It is thought by some samatha practioners that it is very difficult to develop strong concentration using metta as a subject unless one has previously developed concentration on another subject.
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Re: How to Combine Loving-Kindness Meditation with Concentration Meditation?

Post by SteRo » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:02 am

asker wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:59 pm
How to Combine Loving-Kindness Meditation with Concentration Meditation?

It is similar to arupa jhana / formless absorption meditation where the "object of concentration" actually is a theme since "object" usually implies "form".

you may start with form objects like "beings" but once the loving kindness arises from that you drop "beings" and focus/change to the theme of loving kindness, i.e. the experience of loving kindness and "concentrate" in it, i.e. don't move from that experience until non-conceptual absorption sets in.
There is the case where a monk keeps pervading the first direction[4] — as well as the second direction, the third, & the fourth — with an awareness imbued with good will. Thus he keeps pervading above, below, & all around, everywhere & in every respect the all-encompassing world with an awareness imbued with good will: abundant, expansive, immeasurable, free from hostility, free from ill will.
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"That disciple of the noble ones, headman — thus devoid of covetousness, devoid of ill will, unbewildered, alert, mindful — keeps pervading the first direction [the east] with an awareness imbued with good will, likewise the second, likewise the third, likewise the fourth. Thus above, below, & all around, everywhere, in its entirety, he keeps pervading the all-encompassing cosmos with an awareness imbued with good will — abundant, expansive, immeasurable, without hostility, without ill will. Just as a strong conch-trumpet blower can notify the four directions without any difficulty, in the same way, when the awareness-release through good will is thus developed, thus pursued, any deed done to a limited extent no longer remains there, no longer stays there.
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