Why Buddha did not think he was insane?

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Why Buddha did not think he was insane?

Post by SarathW » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:05 am

Why Buddha did not think he was insane?

Generally, if someone to declare Nibbana for the first time today, s/he will be end up in a mental hospital.
So what made him to keep his discovery so cool?
More to the facts, how others did not think he was mad?
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Re: Why Buddha did not think he was insane?

Post by retrofuturist » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:31 am

Greetings Sarath,

Well, even his spiritual friends didn't believe him at first.

I assume this obstacle of communication is why there are more paccekabuddhas than Buddhas.

As his ability to teach improved and others were invited to "come and see", the wheel started turning.

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Re: Why Buddha did not think he was insane?

Post by Sam Vara » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:21 am

SarathW wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:05 am
Why Buddha did not think he was insane?

Generally, if someone to declare Nibbana for the first time today, s/he will be end up in a mental hospital.
So what made him to keep his discovery so cool?
More to the facts, how others did not think he was mad?
My guess is that he knew that he was not insane because he had understood the nature of greed, hatred and delusion, and could either see or infer the role that they played in what we term insanity. Knowing that he was free from those defilements, he knew that he was different, but not insane. He needed a new set of words to convey that situation to others.

As for the reactions of others, I think Retro is right. People probably didn't know what to make of him, but skillful means in teaching, and his overall demeanour, convinced most people that he was saner than they were.

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Re: Why Buddha did not think he was insane?

Post by Crazy cloud » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:03 am

Maybe the Buddha knew he was insane, and that*s the reason for becoming enlightened and "sane"

Everybody is insane, only the arahant is not

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Re: Why Buddha did not think he was insane?

Post by binocular » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:16 am

SarathW wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:05 am
Why Buddha did not think he was insane?

Generally, if someone to declare Nibbana for the first time today, s/he will be end up in a mental hospital.
So what made him to keep his discovery so cool?
More to the facts, how others did not think he was mad?
They all lived in a culture where the following was common or at least not rare:
1. sadhus and other "wise men" (living in groups or alone) who devoted themselves to contemplating the meaning of life and "how things really are";
2. sadhus and other "wise men" living from the generosity of other people, not being expected to work for a living;
3. people from all classes of society seeking life advice from sadhus and other "wise men";
4. people from all classes of society becoming sadhus and other "wise men".

So, in a way, the Buddha fit right in, even though he broke the mould. The above combination of the four items above seems to be rare nowadays, and in some cultures, it doesn't exist (anymore).
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Re: Why Buddha did not think he was insane?

Post by justindesilva » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:39 pm

SarathW wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:05 am
Why Buddha did not think he was insane?

Generally, if someone to declare Nibbana for the first time today, s/he will be end up in a mental hospital.
So what made him to keep his discovery so cool?
More to the facts, how others did not think he was mad?
The fact that lord budda is samma sambuddo and vidyacarana sampanno loka vidu explains that lord budda was confident in his sanity.

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Re: Why Buddha did not think he was insane?

Post by dharmacorps » Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:26 pm

Are you asking why the Buddha didn't believe himself to be insane? Or that others didn't believe him to be insane? Why would people believe that? Your question needs a lot of clarification before it can be answered.

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Re: Why Buddha did not think he was insane?

Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:21 am

SarathW wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:05 am
Why Buddha did not think he was insane?

Generally, if someone to declare Nibbana for the first time today, s/he will be end up in a mental hospital.
So what made him to keep his discovery so cool?
More to the facts, how others did not think he was mad?
A long-long time ago, I used to think Buddha and Arahants were literally insane to the utmost level in their own way: in an extremely peaceful, steely and hardy manner.

But, not anymore, of course.

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Re: Why Buddha did not think he was insane?

Post by Alīno » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:19 pm

Actualy Buddha, paccekkabuddhas and Arahants are only sane beings in a whole Samsara...
Ajahn Nanadassano (before ordaining) : Venerable Ajahn, what is the bigest error that buddhist do in their practice?
Ajahn Jayasaro : They stop practicing ...

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