Physical posture during seated meditation

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Physical posture during seated meditation

Post by Manopubbangama » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:52 pm

The Suttanta stock formula is very basic:

"when a bhikkhu has returned from his almsround, after his meal, he sits down, folds his legs crosswise, sets his body erect, and establishing mindfulness in front of him"

I'm wondering if anyone has experience adjusting to find an optimal seating arrangement?

Is lotus-position beneficial?

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Re: Physical posture during seated meditation

Post by Sam Vara » Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:16 pm

Manopubbangama wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:52 pm
The Suttanta stock formula is very basic:

"when a bhikkhu has returned from his almsround, after his meal, he sits down, folds his legs crosswise, sets his body erect, and establishing mindfulness in front of him"

I'm wondering if anyone has experience adjusting to find an optimal seating arrangement?

Is lotus-position beneficial?
I think it is beneficial only if it can be achieved without injury and/or strain which becomes distracting. The optimal seating arrangement is that which keeps one alert and balanced, without causing pain or requiring too much effort. It's worth experimenting to find the most suitable one, and bear in mind that we tend to differ quite a lot in terms of tightness of ligaments, bulkiness of muscles, joint deterioration, old sports injuries, and so on. Copying someone else or following a recommendation should be done with caution. Having said that, if you are lucky enough to be able to sit comfortably in the lotus position, then stick with it!

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Re: Physical posture during seated meditation

Post by pilgrim » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:27 pm

There are many ways of sitting cross legged - full lotus , half lotus, Burmese style (where the legs don't overlap), or even both legs to one side. In any of the ways one sits on the floor, it is important that the knees are no higher than the hips. Use a pillow under the butt if you have to. If your knees are high, you'll find difficulty in keeping the body erect as the compression around the hip and stomach area will push your body back. Otherwise, just sit on a chair or stool. Choose one which is level, not one where the seat slants back.

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Re: Physical posture during seated meditation

Post by Pondera » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:47 am

The Sacroiliac joint is of utmost importance. Not only should that joint be straightened as much as one can - it should be in a position where one can let go of dukkha there from. The SI joint is the absolute key to achieving rapture during meditation - and also for achieving rapture as a element of enlightenment in later meditations. In fact, the truth is that consciousness released from the SI joint is the factor of rapture!
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Re: Physical posture during seated meditation

Post by suriyopama » Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:01 am

Pondera wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:47 am
The Sacroiliac joint is of utmost importance. Not only should that joint be straightened as much as one can - it should be in a position where one can let go of dukkha there from. The SI joint is the absolute key to achieving rapture during meditation - and also for achieving rapture as a element of enlightenment in later meditations. In fact, the truth is that consciousness released from the SI joint is the factor of rapture!
I understand that the factor of rapture on noble right concentration is withdrawal [from sensuality & unskillful qualities] accompanied by directed thought and evaluation, not consciousness released from the SI joint.

"Now what, monks, is five-factored noble right concentration? There is the case where a monk — quite withdrawn from sensuality, withdrawn from unskillful qualities — enters and remains in the first jhana: rapture and pleasure born from withdrawal, accompanied by directed thought and evaluation." AN5.28
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
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Re: Physical posture during seated meditation

Post by DNS » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:41 am

Lotus positions are good because they provide the best balance, but as Sam Vara noted, it shouldn't be at the expense of your health or injury. Choose a comfortable position. In the past when I'd give some meditation instructions at IRL groups, I'd always remind the group how mindfulness is supposed to be part of everyday life, regardless if you are sitting or not and also how Ananda attained enlightenment while lying down, just as his head was about to hit the pillow.

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Re: Physical posture during seated meditation

Post by Pondera » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:05 am

suriyopama wrote:
Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:01 am
Pondera wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:47 am
The Sacroiliac joint is of utmost importance. Not only should that joint be straightened as much as one can - it should be in a position where one can let go of dukkha there from. The SI joint is the absolute key to achieving rapture during meditation - and also for achieving rapture as a element of enlightenment in later meditations. In fact, the truth is that consciousness released from the SI joint is the factor of rapture!
I understand that the factor of rapture on noble right concentration is withdrawal [from sensuality & unskillful qualities] accompanied by directed thought and evaluation, not consciousness released from the SI joint.

"Now what, monks, is five-factored noble right concentration? There is the case where a monk — quite withdrawn from sensuality, withdrawn from unskillful qualities — enters and remains in the first jhana: rapture and pleasure born from withdrawal, accompanied by directed thought and evaluation." AN5.28
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
No. I’m pretty sure it has to do with the SI joint. I’ve experienced this many times. Your consciousness chakra is located below your root chakra. When the SI joint is relaxed enough, consciousness retreats into the consciousness chakra. At this moment the practioner feels elevated rapture.
Four simple meditations on earth, water, fire, and wind - leading to tranquility and pleasure, equanimity and peacehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1G3qI6G ... sp=sharing

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