retrofuturist wrote:Dhamma practitioners on the other hand should be very careful here in what they take "judging" to mean, because the Buddha praised the quality of "discernment" (as mentioned by spiny, above)... and you wouldn't want to sacrifice the wholesome, skilful quality of "discernment", through efforts to be non-judgemental.
Yes! retrofuturist (and Spiny Norman) - you could not say it better. Good to hear that. Much mudita in my citta and in my hṛd.
It's all about discernment, and the pīti born of the seclusion from that discernment.
People often speak about "rapture". However, the pseudo "rapture" that some might feel while meditating, is not pīti. And pīti is not "rapture".
Pīti is the contentment of being secluded within oneself. Not of getting "raptured" on some vitiated (yet good - sometimes overpowering) feeling from the external.
Pīti can be summarized as:
propitiate > gladden > be pleased or satisfied with (oneself) from discriminating/discerning> delight.
One should not be carried away by an overwhelming adscititious emotion; but instead by a ravishing delight of being "in charge", viz. mindful - from discernment.
प्रीति prīti (Sk．prīti & Vedic prīta pp．of √ प्री prī)
- any pleasurable sensation , pleasure , joy , gladness , satisfaction , "joy at having done anything" (GṛŚrS.)
Pīti is the satisfaction of having discriminated the external & the internal. It is about the pleasure of being at peace with oneself, mindfully - namely as being aware of not letting the "external" interfere; and letting the internal in (see the simile of the City below).
Then, as retrofuturist implied; watch the "internal" process of a dhamma (phenomena) unfold in front of our "eyes"; the paṭiccasamuppāda way.
That is to say: from saṅkhāra nidāna = body (kāya/breath/and the all subsequent shebang of organs) > feeling > perception of feeling > thought & mental concretism > consciousness nidāna.) - In other words, Ānāpānasati (which, by the way, was Buddha's dwelling during the rains).
Also, Buddhism is not about getting "high". Buddhism is about experiencing subtler & subtler feelings (MN 59) from within. Not about gross ones from the outside. You can find the latter in drugs (extrinsic) - or from what the external feeds you with.
In other words, nothing can be trusted, if it does not come from your own atta. Even if this atta is not to be trusted later on (atta being transitory, so to speak - an inevitable and illusory means to an end, brought by ignorance).
From the delight of pīti comes the pleasantness of the equanimous sukkha. Etc., etc.
Subtler & subtler.
Pañña is the gist of meditation.
On pañña (discernment/wisdom): https://justpaste.it/170ab
On viveka (discrimination / separation / seclusion): https://justpaste.it/17880
Also, the simile of the Vipers ( SN 35.238
), and the simile of the City (SN 35.245
) are pretty good examples of this discrimination between the internal and the external).And pretty straightforward about not letting everything in (un-judgmentally) - Once and for all.
By the way, the meaning of Asaṃvuta
in AN 4.14, for instance (see also AN 4.13) is the following:
- unrestrained (as in leaving the faculties (indriya) unrestrained).
- restrained； shut； covered．
√ वृ vṛ
- to ward off ,keep back , prevent , hinder , restrain (RV. AV.)
- obstruct (RV.)
- to close (a door) (AitBr.)
√ वृ vṛ
- to choose , select , choose for one's self (RV. Br. MBh.)
- to like better than (RV. AitBr. MBh.)
How much more judgmental could all that be?
We are all possessed - more or less.
And what, bhikkhu, is inward rottenness? Here someone is immoral, one of evil character, of impure and suspect behaviour, secretive in his acts, no ascetic though claiming to be one, not a celibate though claiming to be one, inwardly rotten, corrupt, depraved. This is called inward rottenness.”
Just as a chunk of salt, cast in water, loses its form and keeps only its taste; so does one who deals with the deathless loses himself in that reality.