Kalyanamitta

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Kalyanamitta

Post by Pseudobabble » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:46 pm

HI Everyone,

My first topic :woohoo:

I am beginning to realise exactly how important is this particular part of the path. I have seen through personal experience how much the habits and behaviours of one's friends affect one's own. My friends, as much as I love them, and as much as I select people for their personal integrity, take drugs, and are involved in hateful emotions and greedy chasing of pleasures. I don't blame them for this, but I have seen first hand how detrimental it is to my own state of mind and practice. Living with my best friends last year basically destroyed my meditation practice. I could have kept going through a effort of will, but it would have meant dissociating from them while living with them. Perhaps I am too weak.

If anyone is not familiar with Kalyanamittata, check it out here.

First, I'd like to thank the people on this forum, because at the least, you are all a kind of Kalyanamitta, even if it is via a screen and keyboard. This forum helped me keep hope alive for the path and practice.

Second, I'd like to ask forum members for their advice in finding admirable friendship. I have trouble finding friends in the first place, as I am pretty introverted, and I find that many, if not most, people are completely deluded about how life works. I leave open the possibility that it is me who is deluded about life (and I know that to an extent I am) but finding sane and sensible people in this world is hard enough, without adding the requirement that they are Kalyanamitta. I have looked in some meditation and spirituality groups, but there is a lot of spiritual bypassing and spiritual materialism going around in those circles, and associating with those people makes me feel icky.

I have one friend who might be a Kalyanamitta, but she takes drugs, and is very into bathing in emotional states. She comes out as INFP/ISFP for those of you who know the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator test, so I don't know to what extent to ignore this emotionalism. Please lets not have a debate about the MBTI. She says I have to sift the dirt to find the gold, which makes sense, but I'd be very grateful for effective advice from people who are wiser than I about the path, and finding a Kalyanamitta.

I went to the Amaravati Monastery here in the UK, if anyone knows of it, and found the monks there were excellent. At least, that is how it seemed to me. I would dearly love to correspond with a bhikku, but I understand they (you?) are not supposed to spend a lot of time involving themselves with life outside the monastery, and I don't want to bring trouble into the life of someone who has had the courage to go forth.

Thanks for reading, and please, if you have any advice, let me know it.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


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Re: Kalyanamitta

Post by Kim OHara » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:37 pm

Pseudobabble wrote:HI Everyone,

My first topic :woohoo:
:twothumbsup:
It's a good one, too.

In spite of this -
I have looked in some meditation and spirituality groups, but there is a lot of spiritual bypassing and spiritual materialism going around in those circles, and associating with those people makes me feel icky.
- which I agree can be a problem, meditation groups of some kind are among the places you are most likely to find spiritual support and companionship. They don't even need to be specifically Buddhist, but just to place some importance on - basically - "being a good person".
We all like to be around people who share our values, and participating in such groups is one way of achieving that. Other relevant groups would include yoga, tai chi, etc; charities running welfare programmes, from thrift shops to soup kitchens; environmental groups, cleaning up beaches or encouraging veggie gardening; etc.
I went to the Amaravati Monastery here in the UK, if anyone knows of it, and found the monks there were excellent. At least, that is how it seemed to me. I would dearly love to correspond with a bhikku, but I understand they (you?) are not supposed to spend a lot of time involving themselves with life outside the monastery, and I don't want to bring trouble into the life of someone who has had the courage to go forth.
That's fair enough, but next time you go, consider organising regular contact with others who are there as visitors.

:namaste:
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Re: Kalyanamitta

Post by Sam Vara » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:49 am

Pseudobabble wrote: I'd like to ask forum members for their advice in finding admirable friendship.
Speak the truth, gently.
I went to the Amaravati Monastery here in the UK, if anyone knows of it, and found the monks there were excellent. At least, that is how it seemed to me. I would dearly love to correspond with a bhikku, but I understand they (you?) are not supposed to spend a lot of time involving themselves with life outside the monastery, and I don't want to bring trouble into the life of someone who has had the courage to go forth.
You won't be bringing any trouble, but usually they will gently disengage from any attempt to "recruit" them as a long-term spiritual advisor or special friend. But they are usually happy to spend time with lay people and to answer their questions and provide guidance. This is in itself a form of kalyanamitta, and an extremely valuable one. And don't forget that if you have access to Amaravati, there will be other lay supporters around. They used to have a meditation group that met in the wooden buildings on Sunday afternoons - is that still going?

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Re: Kalyanamitta

Post by Nibbana » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:12 am

Pseudobabble wrote:
I went to the Amaravati Monastery here in the UK, if anyone knows of it, and found the monks there were excellent. At least, that is how it seemed to me. I would dearly love to correspond with a bhikku, but I understand they (you?) are not supposed to spend a lot of time involving themselves with life outside the monastery, and I don't want to bring trouble into the life of someone who has had the courage to go forth.
Hello friend,

If all goes well I will be visiting Amaravati from 29th may till 29th june, the house is sold and I'm planning to ordain.

We can hook up when I'm there if you want. :)

:anjali:
"Then you understand the brilliance of the Buddha's teaching of anatta, goes right to the heart of everything. They say the Dhamma is the source, not going to it's consequences not papancha, but going right into the very middle, the very essence, the very heart, the atta what you take to be you. From the body into the mind thinking, from the mind into the doer, from the doer into the knower. You can see you're not the knower, you can see you're not the doer..."

-Ajahn Brahm

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Re: Kalyanamitta

Post by Pseudobabble » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:40 pm

Kim OHara wrote:meditation groups of some kind are among the places...
Thank you Kim - I will look for some of those groups locally. I didn't think about it in that way.
Kim OHara wrote:That's fair enough, but next time you go, consider organising regular contact with others who are there as visitors.
I will certainly do that. I was a little shy at first, as it was when I was just getting into the practice.

Sam Vara wrote:Speak the truth, gently.
I will try. Gently is the part that I usually don't remember. :candle:
Sam Vara wrote:This is in itself a form of kalyanamitta, and an extremely valuable one.
True, I hadn't considered considered it that way. Thank you :)
Sam Vara wrote:They used to have a meditation group that met in the wooden buildings on Sunday afternoons - is that still going?
Unfortunately Amaravati is several hours away from me, so I don't know.

Nibbana wrote: Hello friend,

If all goes well I will be visiting Amaravati from 29th may till 29th june, the house is sold and I'm planning to ordain.

We can hook up when I'm there if you want. :)
That would be cool. Are you staying there after ordination?
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


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Re: Kalyanamitta

Post by R1111 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:35 am

See if you can find a good online/live course in meditation and associate with a Teacher in that way. Best friend is someone who can point out your flaws, teach you Dhamma and leave you alone to practise.
I wouldn't go out of my way looking for friends. Solitude ftw.

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Re: Kalyanamitta

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:50 am

Greetings,
Pseudobabble wrote:Thanks for reading, and please, if you have any advice, let me know it.
Just keep an open mind and an open heart...

Metta,
Paul. :)
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Re: Kalyanamitta

Post by Nibbana » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:11 pm

Pseudobabble wrote:That would be cool. Are you staying there after ordination?
Not sure, maybe they can ask if I want to look at other monasteries before ordination.
I already visited Amaravati for 3 days a few months ago and if it's up to me then yes I would like to stay there.

However it's not sure, time will tell.

:anjali:
"Then you understand the brilliance of the Buddha's teaching of anatta, goes right to the heart of everything. They say the Dhamma is the source, not going to it's consequences not papancha, but going right into the very middle, the very essence, the very heart, the atta what you take to be you. From the body into the mind thinking, from the mind into the doer, from the doer into the knower. You can see you're not the knower, you can see you're not the doer..."

-Ajahn Brahm

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Re: Kalyanamitta

Post by Pseudobabble » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:36 am

R1111 wrote:See if you can find a good online/live course in meditation and associate with a Teacher in that way. Best friend is someone who can point out your flaws, teach you Dhamma and leave you alone to practise.
I wouldn't go out of my way looking for friends. Solitude ftw.
Good idea, thanks R1111 - I'll take a look around for some courses. Can you recommend any online ones? I already love solitude, my friends joke that I'm a hermit.
retrofuturist wrote:Just keep an open mind and an open heart...
:) Good advice, and it's certainly harder than it seems when one starts to pay attention to the mind..
Nibbana wrote:Not sure, maybe they can ask if I want to look at other monasteries before ordination.
I already visited Amaravati for 3 days a few months ago and if it's up to me then yes I would like to stay there.
Ok cool, I plan to go up to Amaravati later this year, so if you're there, I'll ask around for a monk who posts on DhammaWheel as Nibbana :tongue:


Many thanks to everyone, this is Kalyanamittata, thank you for your support and kind words.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19

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Re: Kalyanamitta

Post by R1111 » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:56 am

Pseudobabble wrote: Can you recommend any online ones? I already love solitude, my friends joke that I'm a hermit.
https://meditation.sirimangalo.org/schedule you can sign up for a course with Ven. Yuttadhammo Bhikkhu there, it is based on Satipatthana Meditation as taught by Mahasi Sayadaw, video and text instruction in my signature. Good luck

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