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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby identification » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:34 pm

Someone at Wat Phra dhammakaya sent me a voice message the other night, around 11pm, of thousands of people at the temple chanting together. She said she thought there were around 10,000 people there chanting. They were trying to reach 7 million rounds of the Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta that night. Even at 11pm the temple is still awake and practicing. :twothumbsup:
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby suriyopama » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:08 am

Latest Dhammakaya news:

The DSI (Department of Special Investigation) suspends two officers over 40 million baht (1,130,000 $) bribe in connection with the Wat Dhammakaya embezzlement scandal of the Klongchan Credit Union Cooperative.

That must be petty cash for them. :rolleye:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/1137069/dsi-suspends-2-top-officers-over-bribe

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby identification » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:51 pm

suriyopama wrote:Latest Dhammakaya news:

The DSI (Department of Special Investigation) suspends two officers over 40 million baht (1,130,000 $) bribe in connection with the Wat Dhammakaya embezzlement scandal of the Klongchan Credit Union Cooperative.

That must be petty cash for them. :rolleye:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/1137069/dsi-suspends-2-top-officers-over-bribe


How is this Dhammakaya news? What does it have to do with the Dhammakaya?

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby identification » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:15 am

If everyone in the world has the same goal
or dream of seeing true peace in the world, a
world with no borders, no soldiers, no police,
a world where people have only love and good
wishes for each other, true peace will not be difficult to achieve.
True world peace begins with
inner peace, when our minds are still and calm.
Once everyone can do this, true world peace can
happen at this very moment. To share in the same dream, we must learn
and experience meditation altogether. However,
people cannot communicate effectively with
one another yet. There are many barriers in
our communication, such as custom, tradition,
culture, language and geography. If we can
overcome these barriers and communicate to the
world about how to still the mind, we will have
true world peace. This is not just a dream, but a
determination to make it a reality. - Luang Phaw Dhammajayo
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby jameswang » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:57 am

TRobinson465 wrote:
To explain. KCUC filed a lawsuit when they were becoming insolvent for 12 billion baht worth of checks the chairmen issued to numerous groups from 2009-2011 that the credit union alleged were unauthorized. One of the groups was Wat Phra Dhammakaya. About 380 million baht worth of checks went to his family members. However the court threw the case out for insufficient evidence twice in 2013 or something. DSI is just randomly opening the case again now and is for some reason only focusing on Dhammakaya.

Can you point us to some official report about the court throwing the case out?


Sure thing, here are some links a Thai contact I have in the temple sent me.

http://thaipublica.org/investigations/c ... hong-chan/

http://thaipublica.org/2015/10/credit-u ... ngchan_71/

http://thaipublica.org/2015/10/credit-u ... ngchan_74/

https://dsi.go.th/view.aspx?tid=T0001233

Unfortunately they are in Thai, which i know is against Dhammawheel policies but there aren't really any official English reports on this except for stuff Pro-Dhammakaya sites write which draw from the Thai stuff. I myself cant really read Thai very well but my contact told me these mention the prior cases. Sadly most of the stuff about this case in Thailand is (naturally) in Thai.

Here's one in English, but its from a pro-Dhammakaya site and i guess this wouldnt count as an official report.

http://www.dhammakayauncovered.com/edit ... ade-by-dsi

Perhaps a neutral third party person here on Dhammawheel who can read Thai fluently can take a look at the links i provided and give a brief summary?

The cases I am mentioning are case no. 146/2556 which was filed in 2013, case no. 63/2557 filed in 2014, and the current case which is case no. 27/2559.


These don't speak of "the court throwing the case out", but DSI dropping charges.

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby jameswang » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:00 am

identification wrote:
suriyopama wrote:Latest Dhammakaya news:

The DSI (Department of Special Investigation) suspends two officers over 40 million baht (1,130,000 $) bribe in connection with the Wat Dhammakaya embezzlement scandal of the Klongchan Credit Union Cooperative.

That must be petty cash for them. :rolleye:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/1137069/dsi-suspends-2-top-officers-over-bribe


How is this Dhammakaya news? What does it have to do with the Dhammakaya?

It does say, "... bribe in connection with the Wat Dhammakaya embezzlement scandal..."

Now I wonder if this is related to the earlier mess at DSI's attempt to arrest the abbot. (posting.php?mode=quote&f=37&t=339&p=403878#ppr404779)

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby ancientbuddhism » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:43 pm

Police ponder legal action in abbot ordeal

bangkokpost.com wrote:Police are expected to take legal action against anyone in charge of Wat Phra Dhammakaya for allegedly sheltering Phra Dhammajayo if the latter turns out to be staying at the temple and fails to report...


Turn him over! ... or we'll say 'Turn him over!' again. yeahright :coffee:
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Dhammakaya defector slams scandal-hit abbot [Re: Wat Dhammakaya]

Postby Kumara » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:47 am

ancientbuddhism wrote:Police ponder legal action in abbot ordeal

bangkokpost.com wrote:Police are expected to take legal action against anyone in charge of Wat Phra Dhammakaya for allegedly sheltering Phra Dhammajayo if the latter turns out to be staying at the temple and fails to report...


Turn him over! ... or we'll say 'Turn him over!' again. yeahright :coffee:

Assuming you are who I think you are, bhante, I've always marveled at your delicious brand of humour.

Btw, I think this relevant interview hasn't been introduced here yet:
EXCLUSIVE: Dhammakaya defector slams scandal-hit abbot
http://bk.asia-city.com/city-living/new ... -hit-abbot
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Wat Dhammakaya’s TV channel to be ordered off air

Postby Kumara » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:53 am

Can they pull off this one? We'll see.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general ... ed-off-air
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby slimdabuddhist » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:45 am


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Re: Dhammakaya defector slams scandal-hit abbot [Re: Wat Dhammakaya]

Postby slimdabuddhist » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:55 am

Kumara wrote:
ancientbuddhism wrote:Police ponder legal action in abbot ordeal

bangkokpost.com wrote:Police are expected to take legal action against anyone in charge of Wat Phra Dhammakaya for allegedly sheltering Phra Dhammajayo if the latter turns out to be staying at the temple and fails to report...


Turn him over! ... or we'll say 'Turn him over!' again. yeahright :coffee:

Assuming you are who I think you are, bhante, I've always marveled at your delicious brand of humour.

Btw, I think this relevant interview hasn't been introduced here yet:
EXCLUSIVE: Dhammakaya defector slams scandal-hit abbot
http://bk.asia-city.com/city-living/new ... -hit-abbot


Oh, keep in mind, ven. kumara (if you are a monk), they(WDP supporters) will try to discredit you. Since it is an interview with someone they hate most mano lao, they'll continue to try to slander those who oppose them.

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Re: Dhammakaya defector slams scandal-hit abbot [Re: Wat Dhammakaya]

Postby Kumara » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:55 am

slimdabuddhist wrote:Oh, keep in mind, ven. kumara (if you are a monk), they(WDP supporters) will try to discredit you. Since it is an interview with someone they hate most mano lao, they'll continue to try to slander those who oppose them.

I don't think they'll bother with me. We can take that as a sign as he's on something. If he's just a loony blabbing nonsense, why would they attack him so viciously?

Btw, I've wondered: If he is just a loony blabbing nonsense, why have they not sued him for defamation yet? :thinking:
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Former follower recalls his “riches to rags” story after being inducted to Dhammakaya sect

Postby jameswang » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:03 am

Something truly educational:
Former follower recalls his “riches to rags” story after being inducted to Dhammakaya sect
http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/former ... kaya-sect/

Not sure why the photo link is broken there, but I found it plus other photos of the guy here: http://www.naewna.com/local/248498

Gutsy fellow. Hope others like him will be motivated to speak out.

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Re: Former follower recalls his “riches to rags” story after being inducted to Dhammakaya sect

Postby chownah » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:57 am

jameswang wrote:Something truly educational:
Former follower recalls his “riches to rags” story after being inducted to Dhammakaya sect
http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/former ... kaya-sect/

Not sure why the photo link is broken there, but I found it plus other photos of the guy here: http://www.naewna.com/local/248498

Gutsy fellow. Hope others like him will be motivated to speak out.

Seems he was kind of foolish and made some bad decisions....for which I think he should blame himself.
I could be wrong because I have not red the article. Does his arm show red marks from the twisting?
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Re: Former follower recalls his “riches to rags” story after being inducted to Dhammakaya sect

Postby samseva » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:39 pm

chownah wrote:
jameswang wrote:Something truly educational:
Former follower recalls his “riches to rags” story after being inducted to Dhammakaya sect[/b]
http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/former ... kaya-sect/

Not sure why the photo link is broken there, but I found it plus other photos of the guy here: http://www.naewna.com/local/248498

Gutsy fellow. Hope others like him will be motivated to speak out.

Seems he was kind of foolish and made some bad decisions....for which I think he should blame himself.
I could be wrong because I have not red the article. Does his arm show red marks from the twisting?
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Read the article.

And sects pry on naïve and easily-influenced people. It doesn't absolve them from responsibility not one bit.
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Re: Former follower recalls his “riches to rags” story after being inducted to Dhammakaya sect

Postby ManEagle » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:40 pm

samseva wrote:And sects pry on naïve and easily-influenced people. It doesn't absolve them from responsibility not one bit.


Having been married to a Thai for not far short of 10 years now and having met many other Thais in that time I am of the firm opinion that "naive and easily-influenced" (or gullible) are pretty apt descriptions of many Thai people. I wouldn't go as far as to paint them as all being like this but I can certainly say that my wife has at times been fooled by many things (especially on the net) that have turned out to be untrue or hoaxes. This is purely based upon my own personal experiences. I am in no way purporting to be an expert onThai mentality but all the same I am not surprised to hear about stories of Thai people being sucked into the Dhammakaya mentality of donate what you can in the promise of improving your life and paving your way to Buddhist heaven. This aspect of any religion makes me sick.

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Re: Former follower recalls his “riches to rags” story after being inducted to Dhammakaya sect

Postby chownah » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:20 am

samseva wrote:
chownah wrote:
jameswang wrote:Something truly educational:
Former follower recalls his “riches to rags” story after being inducted to Dhammakaya sect[/b]
http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/former ... kaya-sect/

Not sure why the photo link is broken there, but I found it plus other photos of the guy here: http://www.naewna.com/local/248498

Gutsy fellow. Hope others like him will be motivated to speak out.

Seems he was kind of foolish and made some bad decisions....for which I think he should blame himself.
I could be wrong because I have not red the article. Does his arm show red marks from the twisting?
chownah

Read the article.

And sects pry on naïve and easily-influenced people. It doesn't absolve them from responsibility not one bit.

Give me the highlights.
chownah

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Re: Former follower recalls his “riches to rags” story after being inducted to Dhammakaya sect

Postby chownah » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:29 am

ManEagle wrote:..........
............ I am in no way purporting to be an expert onThai mentality but all the same I am not surprised to hear about stories of Thai people being sucked into the Dhammakaya mentality of donate what you can in the promise of improving your life and paving your way to Buddhist heaven. This aspect of any religion makes me sick.

Donating to the temple what you can in the promise of improving your life and paving your way to buddhist heaven is to a great extent what thai buddhism is all about and from what I gather from hearing what other people say about other places in asia it is what asian buddhism is to a great extent. If this makes you sick don't just hang it onto dhammakaya.....hang it onto a large segment of thai society.
With over a million followers it is inevitable that a few will have a lack of proportion about how much to give....and in thailand that percentage will be larger than many westerners expect because giving to the temple is considered not only of religious benefit but of social benefit as well.
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby ManEagle » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:33 am

I do wish they'd hurry up and get this Dhammajayo business sorted out soon. Just recently my wife has taken to chanting whenever she can. And she's got hold of some annoying YT video from Dhammakaya with chanting at twice the normal speed. Sounds like Pinkie & Perky chanting. It's driving me bloody mad! Apparently it's necessary to get as many chanting rounds in per hour because this is going to help their beloved abbot! (Or is it ex-abbot?). My mind boggles at some of the utter tosh they're being fed by the temple and its disciples.

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Re: Former follower recalls his “riches to rags” story after being inducted to Dhammakaya sect

Postby samseva » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:27 pm

chownah wrote:
ManEagle wrote:..........
............ I am in no way purporting to be an expert onThai mentality but all the same I am not surprised to hear about stories of Thai people being sucked into the Dhammakaya mentality of donate what you can in the promise of improving your life and paving your way to Buddhist heaven. This aspect of any religion makes me sick.

Donating to the temple what you can in the promise of improving your life and paving your way to buddhist heaven is to a great extent what thai buddhism is all about and from what I gather from hearing what other people say about other places in asia it is what asian buddhism is to a great extent. If this makes you sick don't just hang it onto dhammakaya.....hang it onto a large segment of thai society.
With over a million followers it is inevitable that a few will have a lack of proportion about how much to give....and in thailand that percentage will be larger than many westerners expect because giving to the temple is considered not only of religious benefit but of social benefit as well.
chownah

Trying to paint Thai society and pretty much the East as a whole in bad light regarding religion (and general personality) is being biased. For any country or religion, there is a whole spectrum of people who study and practice the religion which those people follow, and some which only practice their religion superficially or, more precisely, socially. Pretty much for all religions, the largest portion of followers are people who don't know much about the teachings in and of themselves and follow rituals and social practiced activities more than anything else.

So, it's not just a Thai thing. Just look at how Christianity—or more precisely the church and its followers—evolved over the past few millenniums, it's not that different. Giving money, going to heaven, bad priests, blind faith, ecclesial power, followers who don't even understand or study the teachings—not that different, no?
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