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Re: Western teachers - Burmese ordination/traditions

Post by pilgrim » Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:48 am

I edited the OP to clarify.
But just for info sake, I think Ven Khippapano is ethnic Vietnamese. Susila Sayalay is ethnic Chinese Malaysian.
I also just learnt that the nun Ariyanani has disrobed and is now known as Ariya B. Baumann. :(

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Post by bazzaman » Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:50 pm

U Jagara (French Canadian)... but I don't know of his recent activities:
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Post by Ben » Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:02 am

bazzaman wrote:U Jagara (French Canadian)... but I don't know of his recent activities:
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I met him at SN Goenka's main centre, Dhammagiri, in 1989. We were both there at the same time for the winter program of long courses.
Six years ago we just missed each other when I checked into the hotel he checked out of an hour previously.
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Post by Goofaholix » Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:42 am

The Thai forest tradition emphasises living life as a monastic whereas the Burmese tradition emphasises meditation, it's not surprising then that the latter produces in the west a much higher proportion of lay meditation teachers as opposed to long term monastics.
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Post by The Thinker » Mon May 02, 2016 7:35 pm

pilgrim wrote:I edited the OP to clarify.
But just for info sake, I think Ven Khippapano is ethnic Vietnamese. Susila Sayalay is ethnic Chinese Malaysian.
I also just learnt that the nun Ariyanani has disrobed and is now known as Ariya B. Baumann. :(
was just searching dharma seed when I came upon this: - http://dharmaseed.org/talks/audio_player/188/31192.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by pilgrim » Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:07 pm

I wish to introduce Ven Ariyadhammika an Austrian Thera who has experience in several of the Burmese traditions - U Ba Khin, Pa-Auk, Mahasi, Mogok, and Tejaniya. Ven Aggacitta of Malaysia speaks highly of him and his Vinaya practice and has encouraged him to act as Upajjhaya. He is seen here ordaining two monks (probably his first students), a Polish and a Frenchman at the sima in Malaysia with a quorum of Malaysian and temporary Burmese monks. Truly an international sangha. At the moment he is in Sri Lanka
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Post by samseva » Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:00 pm

pilgrim wrote:I wish to introduce Ven Ariyadhammika an Austrian Thera who has experience in several of the Burmese traditions - U Ba Khin, Pa-Auk, Mahasi, Mogok, and Tejaniya. Ven Aggacitta of Malaysia speaks highly of him and his Vinaya practice and has encouraged him to act as Upajjhaya. He is seen here ordaining two monks (probably his first students), a Polish and a Frenchman at the sima in Malaysia with a quorum of Malaysian and temporary Burmese monks. Truly an international sangha. At the moment he is in Sri Lanka
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Sādhu. Must be quite an honour for him.

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Just learnt of Ven Nanadassana, who actually spent most of his monastic life in Sri Lanka at Na Uyana, which has very closeinks to Pa-Auk.

"Bhikkhu Ñāṇadassana (Greek) is a Mahāthera of 30 vassa who lives in Sri Lanka and was closely connected with the late Ven. Nāuyana Ariyadhamma Mahāthera. He is the author and translator of more than ten Buddhist books in English, German, Sinhala, and Pāli and is adept at preaching the Dhamma in English and Sinhala. He received his Sāmanera ordination in 1982 and for four years he practised under the guidance of the late Most Venerable M. Ñāṇārāma Mahāthera, the renowned meditation master of Nissaraṇa Vanaya Meditation Monastery, Meetirigala, Sri Lanka. In 1986 he took the higher ordination with the late Most Venerable Rājakīya Paṇḍita K. ShrīJinavaṃsa Mahāthera as his preceptor. He then studied the Tipitaka with its Commentaries and Subcommentaries under three learned Mahātheras. In 1997 he received the degree of Vinayācariya. From 2003 till 2007 he practised meditation at Pa-Auk Tawya Meditation Centre, Mawlayimine, Myanmar, and then returned to Sri Lanka where he is currently staying at Nāuyana Forest Meditation Monastery."

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Post by NobleDhamma1 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:45 pm

pilgrim wrote:
Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:07 pm
I wish to introduce Ven Ariyadhammika an Austrian Thera who has experience in several of the Burmese traditions - U Ba Khin, Pa-Auk, Mahasi, Mogok, and Tejaniya. Ven Aggacitta of Malaysia speaks highly of him and his Vinaya practice and has encouraged him to act as Upajjhaya. He is seen here ordaining two monks (probably his first students), a Polish and a Frenchman at the sima in Malaysia with a quorum of Malaysian and temporary Burmese monks. Truly an international sangha. At the moment he is in Sri Lanka (outdated; he lives permanently in Malaysia now)
UPDATE
Another group of Western disciples was recently ordained by Ven. Ariyadhammika. See https://www.flickr.com/photos/sasanarak ... 7955677085
His biodata is available here: https://sasanarakkha.org/2018/08/30/ariyadhammika/
Info about SBS Monk Training Centre can be found here: https://sasanarakkha.org/monastery/

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Post by ChooChoo » Sat May 18, 2019 12:03 am

Ajahn Pannadhammo at Arrow River Monastery in Ontario, Canada practices Mahasi style meditation, though it says on his website he ordained as a Thai Forest Monk.

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Post by Dhammanando » Sat May 18, 2019 7:04 am

ChooChoo wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 12:03 am
Ajahn Pannadhammo at Arrow River Monastery in Ontario, Canada practices Mahasi style meditation, though it says on his website he ordained as a Thai Forest Monk.
I think the Burmese connection is a little tenuous in Ven. Punnadhammo's case. As far as I know he didn't train in Burma but learned the Mahasi method before ordaining at Wat Pa Nanachat. His teacher was the householder yogi Kema Ananda (Eric James Bell).

Kema Ananda learned it in Canada from the Canadian monk Ven. Ānanda Bodhi (aka Leslie Dawson, aka Namgyal Rinpoche).

Ānanda Bodhi learned it in Thailand from Phra Jodok Ñāṇasiddhi (aka Chao Khun Dhammadhīrarājamahāmunī), the founder of Section 5 (the vipassanā section at Wat Mahathat in Bangkok). Ānanda Bodhi also spent some time in Burma, but his training there wasn't with Mahasi but with the healing and pagoda-building monk U Thilawuntha.

And Phra Jodok Ñāṇasiddhi learned it at the Mahasi Centre in Rangoon, being instructed by Sayādaws Āsabha and Indavaṃsa. Sayādaw Āsabha was later to move to Thailand and found Wat Vivekasom in Chonburi, which, along with Section 5, was one of the two pioneering places for the teaching of this method in Thailand.
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Post by ChooChoo » Sun May 19, 2019 6:35 pm

Thanks for clearing that up.

It says on the website Ajahn Pannadhammo does Anapana and Mahasi. Is it common for Monks to practice two or more styles of meditation? I know in the Goenka tradition they are really forward about telling people to not practicing other types of meditation.

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Post by mikenz66 » Sun May 19, 2019 7:35 pm

ChooChoo wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 6:35 pm
Is it common for Monks to practice two or more styles of meditation? I know in the Goenka tradition they are really forward about telling people to not practicing other types of meditation.
Most monastics that I've talked to have tried a variety of approaches, and most teachers will offer a variety of approaches to students who have difficulties with the main approach that they teach. For example, some people find breath meditation completely unsuitable, and most teachers will have alternatives.

The Goenka organisation has some good points, but the insistence on everyone sticking to one particular approach (anapanasati followed by body scanning) is somewhat unusual. In any case, it is not a monastic organisation.

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Post by ChooChoo » Sun May 19, 2019 7:58 pm

mikenz66 wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 7:35 pm
ChooChoo wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 6:35 pm
Is it common for Monks to practice two or more styles of meditation? I know in the Goenka tradition they are really forward about telling people to not practicing other types of meditation.
Most monastics that I've talked to have tried a variety of approaches, and most teachers will offer a variety of approaches to students who have difficulties with the main approach that they teach. For example, some people find breath meditation completely unsuitable, and most teachers will have alternatives.

The Goenka organisation has some good points, but the insistence on everyone sticking to one particular approach (anapanasati followed by body scanning) is somewhat unusual. In any case, it is not a monastic organisation.

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That's what I don't understand abot the Goenka tradition. It's not a monastic organistation but they talk about Ledi Sayadaw being one of the founders, so how exactly is Goenka vipassana different to what Ledi Sayadaw taught or practiced? Being that Ledi Sayadaw is such a respected Monk, there must be monastics that practice the same mediation he did. How does it differ from what is taught at Goenka retreats? :shrug:

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Post by pilgrim » Mon May 20, 2019 1:25 am

It makes sense not to mix traditions when one is attending a retreat. A lot of grief and frustration arises when students mix traditions and then bring their problems and questions to the teachers. However, neither Anapanasati nor Vedananupassana which are the mainstay of Goenka's technique is unique to it. What is unique to Goenka is it's template of reproducing standard instructions for its retreats.
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