Arthritis!

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by No_Mind » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:07 am

bhante dhamma wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:19 am
So I have to find an orthopedic specialist correct?
AFAIK, Australia like UK and rest of the Commonwealth has the MBBS system (Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery), followed by an MD in cardiology/medicine/gynaecology etc speciality (different from US system of undergrad study in say biology followed by an MD that is not a specialization degree but same as MBBS from UK).

In the UK system the specialization is orthopedics or medicine and super specialization is rheumatology.

So it is best to be guided up the ladder by an MD in medicine in Australia.

You know the old story,

if the patient has a headache:
  • an opthalmologist will think he needs new glasses
  • a GP will think he has flu
  • a neurologist will think he has brain tumor
and so on ..

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by bhante dhamma » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:36 pm

Oh I see, so you're saying it's better to go to a generic G.P, and he will refer you to a specialist, rather than go straight to a specialist as they have a latent bias? I wonder do you know if an Australian Medicare card works in new Zealand? If it does might go there as there's better monasteries to recoup.

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by PeterC86 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:08 pm

bhante dhamma wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:19 am
Oh ok Pramodya for all your advice,

..osteoarthritis is a degenerative process of the musculoskeletal system (tendons, ligaments, cartilage, connective tissue) caused by decades of nutrient-poor diet...

Mmmm not so sure I would completely qualify for that, seems to be more like this.."With a moderate grade II sprain, the knee ligament tears partially. Swelling and bruising are common, and the use of the joint is usually painful and difficult." But who knows really.

..osteoarthritis is often misused for other disorders (such as consequences of accidents..

Still uncertain is the cause a knee sprain or an underlying disorder like arthritis?

..joints that have undergone change because of an accident, are extra sensitive for the development of Arthrosis."..

Could be that category indeed.

...If the damage is caused through injury, then apparently you don't suffer from Arthrosis...

So I have to find an orthopedic specialist to further the diagnosis, correct?

..If the tissue is degenerated..

Need to consult an orthopedic doctor for this also?

Arthritis is a different disease and is caused by auto-immun failure. This manifests itself in inflammation of the joints.

I guess needs further investigation as to exact cause.

There are no known remedies to osteoarthritis.

Diagnosis might be off, but noted.

One puzzling thing is that from what I've read it normally takes only a few week's for 'a sprain' to heal, so in the case that it's months the implication is it's more than a sprain? Is it the case normally you see a orthopedic doctor for diagnosis and then a sports physician for rehab?
I'm not sure as to what is the best course to follow here, but I definitely second no_minds notion that a specialist can suffer from a certain bias, which could lead to a wrong diagnosis as to what the cause of the damage might have been. But to me this seems to be of a second priority (but evenly important), as you first have to deal with recovery of the damage, if possible. So, you've got an x-ray result, isn't there a designated someone who should discuss these results with you? Someone who can interpret the scans, and see where and what the damage exactly is? They should know what the best way to recover is, or at least refer you to someone who does.

On the cause of your injury, I can only say, from what I know, that the nutrition I described above should give your body all the micronutrients it needs to function, recover, and maintain itself, in the best condition possible, from a nutritional aspect, whatever the cause might be. From the study that I followed, I learned that one could name four equally important and interdependent aspects to staying healthy; environment, nutrition, exercise, and wisdom.

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by No_Mind » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:08 am

bhante dhamma wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:36 pm
I wonder do you know if an Australian Medicare card works in new Zealand? If it does might go there as there's better monasteries to recoup.
I have no knowledge of healthcare system in Australia. I live in another Commonwealth country and hence know about the education system since it is pretty much the same.

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by dharmacorps » Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:20 pm

Bhante, you may be referred to a orthopod, (aka orthopedic surgeon-- don't worry, they do more than surgery), rehabilitation medicine specialist, or rhuematologist. But you can start with an internal medicine doctor (like GP), who can then write you a referral to the right specialist for management. Lastly, I would leave to the doctors or researchers potential causes for arthritis or other disease processes. I grapple with physical ailments and I have received plenty of well meaning but very ignorant advice from people about potential, often esoteric causes of my conditions. I tune it out and am happier for it :anjali:

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by PeterC86 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:36 am

The more insight one gets into DO, the more one realizes that science and general medicine (in the state which it is now) are not able to come close to finding the real root causes of diseases. Science in general, and therefore general Medicine, is trying to understand reality by dissecting its elements to see what is the cause of what. Through insight into DO, one realizes this is a futile endeavour and only leads to misinterpretations. Now I am not saying here that science or medicine have no use, they are very useful in a practical sense (operations, recovery, etc.), but for understanding the body in relation to nature in a broader perspective, they are not suited (at least not at this moment).

Only through a holistic perspective on health, one is able to get to an approximation of how one's body relates to nature, through which, one can understand how diseases develop.

However, this still leaves open to what a holistic perspective exactly is, and how someone practices this. This is the point where someone who is looking into this should be careful, as a holistic view can be up for interpretation. A practitioner could include, spiritual, esoteric, shamanistic, and religious elements, i.e. practices which do not have a foundation in the natural material world. But even the natural material foundations, on which practitioners base their practices, could be of mere subjective interpretation, i.e. not grounded in controllable, replicable, verifiable, and representative methods and results.

The only holistic perspective I know, in which the above is not the case, is the study I followed.

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by dharmacorps » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:39 pm

PeterC86 wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:36 am
The more insight one gets into DO
Oh that's right, I forgot you claim to be an arahant. Is dispensing health advice part of that status? :alien:

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by PeterC86 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:57 pm

dharmacorps wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:39 pm
Oh that's right, I forgot you claim to be an arahant. Is dispensing health advice part of that status? :alien:
No, but me telling you that you need to transcend science in order to get to Nibbana is.

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by dharmacorps » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:30 am

PeterC86 wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:57 pm

No, but me telling you that you need to transcend science in order to get to Nibbana is.
I never said that in any way shape or form. The two have nothing to do with each this discussion. Although again, since you proclaim you are an arahant, rational discussion seems to stop dead in its tracks. Anyway... :focus:

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