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Re: Suicide: "Men heal sitting side by side with each other"

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:15 pm
by Bundokji
chownah wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:34 pm
Best to not over generalize.
Can there be an definitive statement that does not include generalization? For example, your statement "best to not over generalize", is it applicable all the time, or some of the time?

Re: Suicide: "Men heal sitting side by side with each other"

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:13 pm
by chownah
Bundokji wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:15 pm
chownah wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:34 pm
Best to not over generalize.
Can there be an definitive statement that does not include generalization? For example, your statement "best to not over generalize", is it applicable all the time, or some of the time?
You seem to be confusing generalizaton with over generalization.

I wouldn't want to be overly general about definitive statements by claiming that there can not be a definitive statement that does not include generalization....or perhaps more concisely: I would not want to be overly general by claiming that all definitive statements include generalization.

By simply pointing out limits of application for a statement one can eliminate over generalization.....by under generalization one can avoid over generalization as well.

chownah

Re: Suicide: "Men heal sitting side by side with each other"

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:25 pm
by mikenz66
Bundokji wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:49 am
The nature of the fields of which men and women are interested in supports the above view. Most disciplines and sciences that offers higher degrees of certainty seem to be predominated by males and vice versa. ...
There's no "high certainty" in any science. If there were, there'd be no need for any research (in the scientific sense of creating new knowledge). I guess you mean STEM subjects...

The balance in those subjects is changing (which is why I'm able to have opinions about women in my workplace...). Slowly, as there's a long history of ideas about "appropriate professions" being strongly communicated to girls in their formative years that takes decades to work through the pipeline...

:heart:
Mike

Re: Suicide: "Men heal sitting side by side with each other"

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:55 pm
by Ceisiwr
mikenz66 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:25 pm
Bundokji wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:49 am
The nature of the fields of which men and women are interested in supports the above view. Most disciplines and sciences that offers higher degrees of certainty seem to be predominated by males and vice versa. ...
There's no "high certainty" in any science. If there were, there'd be no need for any research (in the scientific sense of creating new knowledge). I guess you mean STEM subjects...

The balance in those subjects is changing (which is why I'm able to have opinions about women in my workplace...). Slowly, as there's a long history of ideas about "appropriate professions" being strongly communicated to girls in their formative years that takes decades to work through the pipeline...

:heart:
Mike


I think it’s a mix of biology and nurture. If you remove all social barriers I think men and women will still filter naturally into different professions on average.

Re: Suicide: "Men heal sitting side by side with each other"

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:07 pm
by Bundokji
mikenz66 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:25 pm
Bundokji wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:49 am
The nature of the fields of which men and women are interested in supports the above view. Most disciplines and sciences that offers higher degrees of certainty seem to be predominated by males and vice versa. ...
There's no "high certainty" in any science. If there were, there'd be no need for any research (in the scientific sense of creating new knowledge). I guess you mean STEM subjects...

The balance in those subjects is changing (which is why I'm able to have opinions about women in my workplace...). Slowly, as there's a long history of ideas about "appropriate professions" being strongly communicated to girls in their formative years that takes decades to work through the pipeline...

:heart:
Mike
It is changing negatively in countries that emphasizes gender equality in whiat has become to be known "the gender equality paradox"

https://www.thejournal.ie/gender-equali ... 6-Feb2018/

Re: Suicide: "Men heal sitting side by side with each other"

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:18 pm
by mikenz66
Bundokji wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:07 pm
It is changing negatively in countries that emphasizes gender equality in whiat has become to be known "the gender equality paradox"

https://www.thejournal.ie/gender-equali ... 6-Feb2018/
Yes, there are complex things going on, but there's definitely a positive change in my country in the subjects I pay attention to.

And, not in my area, but females outnumber males in medical schools here... Females are scoring better at school, so I guess they can choosing a higher-paid career...


:heart:
Mike

Re: Suicide: "Men heal sitting side by side with each other"

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:00 pm
by DooDoot
binocular wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:22 am
I find men are easier to talk to than women.
That is possibly because they are lusting over you and you are possibly seducing them. :tongue:

Re: Suicide: "Men heal sitting side by side with each other"

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:20 pm
by Bundokji
mikenz66 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:18 pm
Yes, there are complex things going on, but there's definitely a positive change in my country in the subjects I pay attention to.

And, not in my area, but females outnumber males in medical schools here... Females are scoring better at school, so I guess they can choosing a higher-paid career...


:heart:
Mike
What is interesting though is the negative correlation between removing the social barriers and women engagement in STEM. The current research results seem to debunk the notion that social stereotypes negatively affects women choices when it comes to STEM, because the more those social barriers are removed, the wider the gap in male to female ratio in STEM.

It is easy to see why highlighting biological differences can trigger fears and face much resistance because it can be so easily misused. However, the damage caused by denying them is less easy to see in my opinion.

Re: Suicide: "Men heal sitting side by side with each other"

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:12 pm
by retrofuturist
Greetings,

The discussion seems to be drifting into matters of gender and education, which would be better discussed at Dharma Wheel Engaged.

(Interesting though how the conversation veered away from men's issues to women's issues... could that social inclination to disregard men's issues by putting them in competition with women's issues be a factor as to why male suicide rates are so high?)

:focus:

Metta,
Paul. :)

Re: Suicide: "Men heal sitting side by side with each other"

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:48 am
by binocular
retrofuturist wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:12 pm
(Interesting though how the conversation veered away from men's issues to women's issues... could that social inclination to disregard men's issues by putting them in competition with women's issues be a factor as to why male suicide rates are so high?)
The moment something becomes an "issue", it automatically becomes part of "women's issues".
There is no such thing as "men's issues". Any man who presumes to have "issues", thereby instantly, through that, becomes effeminate, less of a man.
:candle:


Anyway, the topic of this thread is semi-legal at best, and there is no hope to actually discuss it in proper depth without venturing into the illegal or otherwise problematic.

Re: Suicide: "Men heal sitting side by side with each other"

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:08 am
by DooDoot
binocular wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:48 am



Anyway, the topic of this thread is semi-legal at best, and there is no hope to actually discuss it in proper depth without venturing into the illegal or otherwise problematic.
Well, I personally have always been reclusive since I became a Buddhist therefore I don’t have any compelling experience of sangha. I thought this topic was akin to the concept of male sangha.

Re: Suicide: "Men heal sitting side by side with each other"

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:01 am
by Mr Man
DooDoot wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:08 am
binocular wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:48 am



Anyway, the topic of this thread is semi-legal at best, and there is no hope to actually discuss it in proper depth without venturing into the illegal or otherwise problematic.
Well, I personally have always been reclusive since I became a Buddhist therefore I don’t have any compelling experience of sangha. I thought this topic was akin to the concept of male sangha.
Hi DooDoot

What is the concept of male sangha?

Re: Suicide: "Men heal sitting side by side with each other"

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:50 am
by DooDoot
Mr Man wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:01 am
What is the concept of male sangha?
I don't know; as I posted. When I lived in a monastery, I generally avoided the clique boys clubs. That is why I started this topic about: "Men heal sitting side by side with each other". In other words, have any of us men had close connections with a man or men that helped us through a difficult situation. Regards