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How much happy are you?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:56 am
by SarathW
I just like to have a poll on this.
If you do not know the answer just think the question they ask in the hospitals to express your pain from one to ten.
If you wish you can give the reasons for your unhappiness.
Others can help by giving ways to increase your happiness.
The objective of this exercise is not to compare your happiness with others.
Just to learn that suffering as universal.
According to Buddha's teaching, you will be 100% happy only if you become an Arahant.
Please use the following Sutta as a guide for your score.

https://suttacentral.net/en/mn59

Re: How much happy are you?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:17 am
by SarathW
I have this un necessary unhappiness even though I have enough reason to be happy with my family, my job and my health.
I am unhappy as I do not seem to get anywhere with my practice even though it help me greatly.

Re: How much happy are you?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:19 am
by SarathW
Please do not hesitate to change your vote.
Your mental states keep on changing in a given moment.
Be mindful of it.

Re: How much happy are you?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:24 am
by Garrib
I feel happy while meditating (sometimes), when I'm by myself, and to some extent in relation to other beings (for example, while giving something with joy)...I can also feel momentary happiness from sense pleasure and say, getting paid or something, and I feel happy when reflecting on the Buddha, Dhamma, and Sangha - but I also experience a great deal of unhappiness, from remorse, disappointments, unpleasant interactions with people, and like you say, not feeling like I'm getting anywhere (realizing that I am not enlightened yet).

Re: How much happy are you?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:46 pm
by mal4mac
Garrib wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:24 am
... but I also experience a great deal of unhappiness, from remorse, disappointments, unpleasant interactions with people, and like you say, not feeling like I'm getting anywhere (realizing that I am not enlightened yet).
Is anyone enlightened? There's great doubt that even the most advanced meditating monk in the East is enlightened. It's a bit like studying physics and saying, "I'm not getting anywhere because I'm not as great as Einstein, I haven't come up with a theory of quantum gravity that everyone accepts and is experimentally proven." Or a novelist who says, "I haven't come up with a novel that everyone admires as much as Tolstoy's... I'm not getting anywhere."

Maybe you need to lower your sights (and remember you will be reborn many times, so on your billionth rebirth you might be reborn as a Buddhist Einstein... and become enlightened... and walking the path right now might make that come sooner... millionth rebirth maybe...)

Maybe you should redefine "getting somewhere" as "trying your best to meditate", however bad your best is, or "reading a sutta with some understanding" rather than "being enlightened".

Re: How much happy are you?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:20 pm
by Saengnapha
SarathW wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:17 am
I have this un necessary unhappiness even though I have enough reason to be happy with my family, my job and my health.
I am unhappy as I do not seem to get anywhere with my practice even though it help me greatly.
What do you mean by 'getting anywhere' with your practice?

Re: How much happy are you?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:36 pm
by Saengnapha
mal4mac wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:46 pm
Garrib wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:24 am
... but I also experience a great deal of unhappiness, from remorse, disappointments, unpleasant interactions with people, and like you say, not feeling like I'm getting anywhere (realizing that I am not enlightened yet).
Is anyone enlightened? There's great doubt that even the most advanced meditating monk in the East is enlightened. It's a bit like studying physics and saying, "I'm not getting anywhere because I'm not as great as Einstein, I haven't come up with a theory of quantum gravity that everyone accepts and is experimentally proven." Or a novelist who says, "I haven't come up with a novel that everyone admires as much as Tolstoy's... I'm not getting anywhere."

Maybe you need to lower your sights (and remember you will be reborn many times, so on your billionth rebirth you might be reborn as a Buddhist Einstein... and become enlightened... and walking the path right now might make that come sooner... millionth rebirth maybe...)

Maybe you should redefine "getting somewhere" as "trying your best to meditate", however bad your best is, or "reading a sutta with some understanding" rather than "being enlightened".
For me, asking if anyone is enlightened and being interested in the Buddha's teaching seems very odd. I would assume that the reason you or anyone else is interested in the Buddha's teaching is because we feel he was enlightened. It's a given. Doubt, insecurity, and confusion, are all emotional reactions we have to our life and how we live it. If we didn't feel these things, we wouldn't be interested in these teaching which concern suffering. The first thing we have to do is change how we habitually react to life and this is done through the 8 fold path, beginning with Sila. Without this 'purification', there is little to no chance of developing dispassion and insight that lead to release. Why? Because we will continuously be drawn back into our habitual reactions to circumstances and never calm this to be able to relax and proceed into a much deeper exploration of experience.

Re: How much happy are you?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:40 pm
by Pseudobabble
mal4mac wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:46 pm
Maybe you need to lower your sights
Don't take this the wrong way mal4mac, but don't do this. Why shoot lower? You'll never know if you might have made it. If I have to wait 'many lives' then so be it, but f*** that as a strategy.

EDIT:
mal4mac wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:46 pm
Maybe you should redefine "getting somewhere" as "trying your best to meditate", however bad your best is, or "reading a sutta with some understanding" rather than "being enlightened".
Yes to this though - I was too hasty.

Re: How much happy are you?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:41 pm
by SarathW
Saengnapha wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:20 pm
SarathW wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:17 am
I have this un necessary unhappiness even though I have enough reason to be happy with my family, my job and my health.
I am unhappy as I do not seem to get anywhere with my practice even though it help me greatly.
What do you mean by 'getting anywhere' with your practice?
Not being able to move any further than observing Sila.
Perhaps, even my Sila is not perfect enough.
There is a limit you can push as a layperson.

Re: How much happy are you?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:52 pm
by retrofuturist
Greetings,

No real problems here other than being a bit tired of "the daily grind". Thankfully, I've got a bit over a couple of weeks' break coming up over Christmas... just what the doctor ordered.

Metta,
Paul. :)

Re: How much happy are you?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:01 pm
by SarathW
retrofuturist wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:52 pm
Greetings,

No real problems here other than being a bit tired of "the daily grind". Thankfully, I've got a bit over a couple of weeks' break coming up over Christmas... just what the doctor ordered.

Metta,
Paul. :)
This is a good point Retro.
The problem sometimes is that we do not understand our real mental and physical state.
I think happiness and unhappiness is a very broad measurement.
Perhaps we should investigate the underline problems.
As you said I also feel very tired lately and it appears I translate it as unhappiness.
:D

Re: How much happy are you?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:39 pm
by ryanM
I'm 68% Oxygen, 18.5% Carbon, 9.5% Hydrogen, 3.2% Nitrogen, 1.5% Calcium, 1.0% Phosphorus, 0.4% Potassium, 0.3% Sulfur, 0.2% Sodium, 0.2% Chlorine, 0.1% Magnesium, less than 1.0% trace elements. Maybe happiness is masquerading as a trace element.

Re: How much happy are you?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:04 pm
by DNS
I like the idea of a 'bucket-list' having a list of things you've done or would like to do before you kick-the-bucket. I wrote mine up several years ago and realized I have already done the things on the list. I didn't realize it until much later, that this is known as "reverse-bucket-list" where you list things you've done and get content with life.

It's important to put realistic things, nothing like "being Governor of California" or other lofty goal not likely reachable. For example, one of my items which was important for me was Buddhist pilgrimage to India and Nepal, which I did back in 2006.

Re: How much happy are you?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:58 pm
by Garrib
mal4mac wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:46 pm
Garrib wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:24 am
... but I also experience a great deal of unhappiness, from remorse, disappointments, unpleasant interactions with people, and like you say, not feeling like I'm getting anywhere (realizing that I am not enlightened yet).
Is anyone enlightened? There's great doubt that even the most advanced meditating monk in the East is enlightened. It's a bit like studying physics and saying, "I'm not getting anywhere because I'm not as great as Einstein, I haven't come up with a theory of quantum gravity that everyone accepts and is experimentally proven." Or a novelist who says, "I haven't come up with a novel that everyone admires as much as Tolstoy's... I'm not getting anywhere."

Maybe you need to lower your sights (and remember you will be reborn many times, so on your billionth rebirth you might be reborn as a Buddhist Einstein... and become enlightened... and walking the path right now might make that come sooner... millionth rebirth maybe...)

Maybe you should redefine "getting somewhere" as "trying your best to meditate", however bad your best is, or "reading a sutta with some understanding" rather than "being enlightened".
I'm seriously trying to avoid being reborn a billion times! I understand where you are coming from, and appreciate the response, but I would very much like to attain to Nibbana ASAP!

Re: How much happy are you?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:30 am
by SarathW
DNS wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:04 pm
I like the idea of a 'bucket-list' having a list of things you've done or would like to do before you kick-the-bucket. I wrote mine up several years ago and realized I have already done the things on the list. I didn't realize it until much later, that this is known as "reverse-bucket-list" where you list things you've done and get content with life.

It's important to put realistic things, nothing like "being Governor of California" or other lofty goal not likely reachable. For example, one of my items which was important for me was Buddhist pilgrimage to India and Nepal, which I did back in 2006.
I am not sure whether "bucket-list" or "the reverse-bucket list" going to work.
I have achieved impossible material things (as far as I am concern) in my life.
Perhaps I have achieved a higher level of spiritual attainments (compare to many people) too.
But I still feel some thing unsatisfactory of this life.
When I stay at home I want to go to work.
When I go to work I want to stay at home!