How much happy are you?

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How much happy are you?

10%
1
3%
20%
0
No votes
30%
2
7%
40%
5
17%
50%
5
17%
60%
3
10%
70%
2
7%
80%
6
20%
90%
3
10%
100%
3
10%
 
Total votes: 30

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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by m0rl0ck » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:18 am

I voted 40%. I have some contentment, probably more than i have had in my life previous to this, but happiness seems to me a kind of excitement thats doomed to turn to its opposite. I dont really beleive there is much honest happiness to have in life anyway, that its really a kind of febrile denial of the circumstances one finds oneself in as a sentient being.

While the work of living a life of practice and attention(and it never ends as far as i can tell after a couple of decades of doing it) has yet to be done, and its over when you no longer have a body to do it, i will settle for whatever serenity, contentment and equanimity i have. As far as i understand it, what is conventially meant by the term "happy" is something of which i am highly suspect.

EDIT: I just read over the responses in the thread, i am HAPPY to observe that i am not the only dour old fart on the forum :jumping:
“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by Stiphan » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:40 pm

I'm just glad there's no one reporting 10 or 20%.

It's a good question. A better question would be: How little suffering do you have? Or, how few problems do you have? As long as you're not suffering or having major problems, then you're doing OK, even if you're not particularly happy.

Also, these fortunes change all the time. Earlier in the year I would have reported a much greater percentage of happiness than now. These days I am simply doing okay simply because I don't have suffering, pain or problems, but not as happy as in January/February or in May/June, and I know that that happiness will return next year. It comes and goes in cycles. Plus, you have to work for your happiness - it doesn't just happen or come out of nowhere - you need to first make the good kamma to experience the resulting pleasant vipāka. I would say I currently have neutral feelings most of the time, no painful feelings and the occasional smile (especially when I think of Ann, a woman I love). :smile:
Call me Stephen, please. May you be well and happy. :heart:

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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by SarathW » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:08 pm

:goodpost:
paul wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:34 pm
Happiness in the sense of demeanour can be detrimental to insight, it is linked to the 'equanimity of unknowing' of the ordinary run-of-the-mill person. The response to most situations (which invariably involve defilements), requires a serious attitude. The Buddha regularly spoke of heedfulness as the required demeanour ( SN 3:17, Dhammapada chap. 2, Buddha's final instructions DN 16). In this sense in every event there is the opportunity to take a step towards either ignorance or wisdom. These decisions are what cumulatively contribute to a successful practice. Knowing and experiencing this, one tries to act skilfully in every situation.

"There is the case where an uninstructed, run-of-the-mill person — who has no regard for noble ones, is not well-versed or disciplined in their Dhamma; who has no regard for men of integrity, is not well-versed or disciplined in their Dhamma — does not discern what ideas are fit for attention or what ideas are unfit for attention. This being so, he does not attend to ideas fit for attention and attends [instead] to ideas unfit for attention."---MN 2

"The mode of thinking based on openness rejects duality as a product of discrimination and deluded concepts. It tacitly presupposes that existence as such is ultimately benign; that beyond our deluded concepts, the rich and vivid diversity of forms has a single taste, a taste that is sweet. In contrast, the attitude of heedfulness is grounded upon the view that existence is textured through and through by dualities that are profound and inescapably real. The world bears testimony to this vision in the contrast between the charming, delightful surfaces of things and their underlying hollowness and inadequacy; our minds bear testimony in the ongoing contest between the wholesome mental factors and the unwholesome ones, between the upward urge for purification and the downward pull of the defilements. That this duality is not trivial is seen by the consequences: the one leads to Nibbana, the state of deliverance, the Deathless, while the other leads back into the round of repeated birth, samsara, which is also the realm of Mara, the Lord of Death."---"A Note on Openness", Bikkhu Bodhi.

Duality in nature:
"When a snake's tongue flicks out, the two tines of the fork spread as wide as they can. ... Like your two ears help you identify which direction a sound comes from, the two tines of a snake's tongue tell the snake whether its prey ran left or right."
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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by SarathW » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:10 pm

m0rl0ck wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:18 am
I voted 40%. I have some contentment, probably more than i have had in my life previous to this, but happiness seems to me a kind of excitement thats doomed to turn to its opposite. I dont really beleive there is much honest happiness to have in life anyway, that its really a kind of febrile denial of the circumstances one finds oneself in as a sentient being.

While the work of living a life of practice and attention(and it never ends as far as i can tell after a couple of decades of doing it) has yet to be done, and its over when you no longer have a body to do it, i will settle for whatever serenity, contentment and equanimity i have. As far as i understand it, what is conventially meant by the term "happy" is something of which i am highly suspect.

EDIT: I just read over the responses in the thread, i am HAPPY to observe that i am not the only dour old fart on the forum :jumping:
Initially, I voted 50% and increase to 60%.
Now I deciede to reduce it to 50%
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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by SarathW » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:11 pm

I just wonder what will be the happiness % of a person in fourth Jhana and a person experiencing depression.
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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by Stiphan » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:41 pm

SarathW wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:11 pm
I just wonder what will be the happiness % of a person in fourth Jhana and a person experiencing depression.
If you take Arahantship to be 100%, then Non-return would be 95%, Once-return 93%, Stream-entry 90%, Cessation of perception and feeling between 95 and 100%, [the attainments by puthujjanas of:] the Dimension of neither-perception-nor-non-perception 88%, the Dimension of nothingness 87%, the Dimension of the infinity of consciousness 86%, the Dimension of the infinity of space 85%, the fourth jhāna 84%, the third jhāna 83%, the second jhāna 82%, and the first jhāna 80%.

Depression would be anything below 40%. 35-39% would be mild depression, 25-34% moderate depression and anything below 25% would be severe depression. Below 15%, especially below 10% you start thinking about suicide.

Sarath, I just made this up. But I thought your question deserved an answer!
Call me Stephen, please. May you be well and happy. :heart:

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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by SarathW » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:56 pm

It makes sense Stephen.
This is how doctors evaluate patients in hospitals.
You have to have some measurement.
Even all those Jhana and Sotapanna are just measurements and there is no intrinsic value in it even though we are trying to objectify them.
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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by SarathW » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:58 pm

If you take Arahantship to be 100%
I am glad at least we got one Arahant in this forum and nobody want to commit suicide.
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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by aflatun » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:39 pm

SarathW wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:58 pm
If you take Arahantship to be 100%
I am glad at least we got one Arahant in this forum and nobody want to commit suicide.
:rofl:

Whoever said 100% please PM me, I am ready to be taught...
"People often get too quick to say 'there's no self. There's no self...no self...no self.' There is self, there is focal point, its not yours. That's what not self is."

Ninoslav Ñāṇamoli
Senses and the Thought-1, 42:53

"Those who create constructs about the Buddha,
Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.

That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."

Nagarjuna
MMK XXII.15-16

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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by SarathW » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:41 pm

aflatun wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:39 pm
SarathW wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:58 pm
If you take Arahantship to be 100%
I am glad at least we got one Arahant in this forum and nobody want to commit suicide.
:rofl:

Whoever said 100% please PM me, I am ready to be taught...
We never know.
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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by Will » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:00 pm

For whatever reason, perhaps lacking ambition or too stolid a character, contentment seems an adequate attitude.

So I did not vote.
Whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon, that will become the inclination of his mind. -- MN 19

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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by SarathW » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:42 am

Will wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:00 pm
For whatever reason, perhaps lacking ambition or too stolid a character, contentment seems an adequate attitude.

So I did not vote.
I respect your decision. However, as a Kalyanamitta I have to point you out that Buddha's advise is not to content until you attain Nibbana. You have to be aware of Subtle unhappiness in your consciousness.
:anjali:
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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by Dinsdale » Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:40 pm

ryanM wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:39 pm
Maybe happiness is masquerading as a trace element.
Maybe they sell it in very small bottles in Tesco. :tongue:

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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by DNS » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:24 pm

Spiny Norman wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:40 pm
Maybe they sell it in very small bottles in Tesco. :tongue:
Yes, if they sell this: :tongue:

Image

edit: I just looked it up and they do sell happiness:

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https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/p ... /279513467

:coffee: :tongue:
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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by SarathW » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:02 am

If you already vote, is it in line with the following Sutta?

Bahuvedaniya Suttam
https://suttacentral.net/en/mn59
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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by ryanM » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:27 am

Spiny Norman wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:40 pm
Maybe they sell it in very small bottles in Tesco. :tongue:
I had to look up Tesco haha.
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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by Stiphan » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:34 pm

Sarath, thank goodness you made the poll editable because my happiness percentages are rising. :smile:
Call me Stephen, please. May you be well and happy. :heart:

Know right from wrong — and their consequences — and act accordingly, always doing your very best.

The Path begins with the acknowledgement of Truth; it ends in Freedom; and in between is a huge amount of Effort.
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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by Disciple » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:04 pm

Looks like we have a couple arhats on here. Sweet.

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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by Dinsdale » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:14 am

Stiphan wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:34 pm
Sarath, thank goodness you made the poll editable because my happiness percentages are rising. :smile:
Mine are going down due to seasonal bah-humbuggery. :tongue:

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Re: How much happy are you?

Post by Stiphan » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:08 am

Spiny Norman wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:14 am
Stiphan wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:34 pm
Sarath, thank goodness you made the poll editable because my happiness percentages are rising. :smile:
Mine are going down due to seasonal bah-humbuggery. :tongue:
Oh no! Why does Christmas perturb you, if I may ask.
Call me Stephen, please. May you be well and happy. :heart:

Know right from wrong — and their consequences — and act accordingly, always doing your very best.

The Path begins with the acknowledgement of Truth; it ends in Freedom; and in between is a huge amount of Effort.
Meanwhile, care about others.

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