Hi zan,
I also tried following the 8 precept in the past but could not keep it up. I admire your efforts and determination! (Actually, I, too, wanted to keep the 10 precepts, but understandably not possible).
My teacher, Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi, said I should not follow the 8 precepts. He advised that I just keep the 5 brāhmacariyā precepts -- the ordinary 5 with the third one being full celibacy. You could try that!
Regarding sleep, I sleep on a simple yoga mat on the floor, and it is no problem at all. I would recommend it.
Sorry that I can't say anything about the one meal a day issue and the diabetes danger. For me it wasn't a problem, and I very rarely felt hungry and had no loss of energy.
I've also lost a lot of weight: I was 244 pounds in January this year; today, I weigh 200 pounds. A few years ago, I lost 66 pounds. (I'm 5'11'').
If I were you, I would observe the 5 brāhmacariyā precepts, eat normally, and observe the full 8 precepts on Uposatha days only. That's what I do now.
Hope this helps somehow.
Why one meal a day?
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Thanks! I think I will try to do at least six of them because the one about not watching shows, singing, dancing, and listening to music is extremely helpful for me.Upasaka Sumana wrote:Hi zan,
I also tried following the 8 precept in the past but could not keep it up. I admire your efforts and determination! (Actually, I, too, wanted to keep the 10 precepts, but understandably not possible).
My teacher, Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi, said I should not follow the 8 precepts. He advised that I just keep the 5 brāhmacariyā precepts -- the ordinary 5 with the third one being full celibacy. You could try that!
Regarding sleep, I sleep on a simple yoga mat on the floor, and it is no problem at all. I would recommend it.
Sorry that I can't say anything about the one meal a day issue and the diabetes danger. For me it wasn't a problem, and I very rarely felt hungry and had no loss of energy.
I've also lost a lot of weight: I was 244 pounds in January this year; today, I weigh 200 pounds. A few years ago, I lost 66 pounds. (I'm 5'11'').
If I were you, I would observe the 5 brāhmacariyā precepts, eat normally, and observe the full 8 precepts on Uposatha days only. That's what I do now.
Hope this helps somehow.
I may try the yoga mat thing. I experimented with just sleeping on the floor but woke up incredibly sore.
Good suggestion to just do the full 8 on upasatha days. The only thing I wonder about is if I would get the full benefit since my body would never adjust to the diet and every uposatha I would be so hungry I couldn't practice as well.
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As far as beds are concerned, a thick comforter on the floor or a platform can be quite serviceable. Rather like the Japanese shikibuton.
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I've always wondered if those are comfortable.Sprouticus wrote:As far as beds are concerned, a thick comforter on the floor or a platform can be quite serviceable. Rather like the Japanese shikibuton.
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The modified version I use, of folded cotton quilts, is lovely. My back does much better, too.zan wrote:I've always wondered if those are comfortable.Sprouticus wrote:As far as beds are concerned, a thick comforter on the floor or a platform can be quite serviceable. Rather like the Japanese shikibuton.
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Eat whole grains. They release sugars more slowly as they have a lower Glycemic Index
In NE Thailand the monks eat only one meal a day, but it is gluttonous rice, not polished white rice, and that digests more slowly.
In the West eat porridge oats or muesli, and wholemeal bread, rotis, or noodles made from wholemeal flour, not white bread.
To stave off hunger in the afternoons or in the early hours before dawn, use small quantities of honey (half a teaspoon at a time). I find that 340g of honey lasts for a week or longer.
In NE Thailand the monks eat only one meal a day, but it is gluttonous rice, not polished white rice, and that digests more slowly.
In the West eat porridge oats or muesli, and wholemeal bread, rotis, or noodles made from wholemeal flour, not white bread.
To stave off hunger in the afternoons or in the early hours before dawn, use small quantities of honey (half a teaspoon at a time). I find that 340g of honey lasts for a week or longer.
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Re: One meal a day advice request
Interesting, I'll have to give it a go.Sprouticus wrote:The modified version I use, of folded cotton quilts, is lovely. My back does much better, too.zan wrote:I've always wondered if those are comfortable.Sprouticus wrote:As far as beds are concerned, a thick comforter on the floor or a platform can be quite serviceable. Rather like the Japanese shikibuton.
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"If we base ourselves on the Pali Nikayas, then we should be compelled to conclude that Buddhism is realistic. There is no explicit denial anywhere of the external world. Nor is there any positive evidence to show that the world is mind-made or simply a projection of subjective thoughts. That Buddhism recognizes the extra-mental existence of matter and the external world is clearly suggested by the texts. Throughout the discourses it is the language of realism that one encounters.
-Y. Karunadasa
"If we base ourselves on the Pali Nikayas, then we should be compelled to conclude that Buddhism is realistic. There is no explicit denial anywhere of the external world. Nor is there any positive evidence to show that the world is mind-made or simply a projection of subjective thoughts. That Buddhism recognizes the extra-mental existence of matter and the external world is clearly suggested by the texts. Throughout the discourses it is the language of realism that one encounters.
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Re: One meal a day advice request
Great suggestions. I wasn't aware honey was allowed after noon, that would make things a lot easier for me! Thank you.Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:Eat whole grains. They release sugars more slowly as they have a lower Glycemic Index
In NE Thailand the monks eat only one meal a day, but it is gluttonous rice, not polished white rice, and that digests more slowly.
In the West eat porridge oats or muesli, and wholemeal bread, rotis, or noodles made from wholemeal flour, not white bread.
To stave off hunger in the afternoons or in the early hours before dawn, use small quantities of honey (half a teaspoon at a time). I find that 340g of honey lasts for a week or longer.
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"If we base ourselves on the Pali Nikayas, then we should be compelled to conclude that Buddhism is realistic. There is no explicit denial anywhere of the external world. Nor is there any positive evidence to show that the world is mind-made or simply a projection of subjective thoughts. That Buddhism recognizes the extra-mental existence of matter and the external world is clearly suggested by the texts. Throughout the discourses it is the language of realism that one encounters.
-Y. Karunadasa
"If we base ourselves on the Pali Nikayas, then we should be compelled to conclude that Buddhism is realistic. There is no explicit denial anywhere of the external world. Nor is there any positive evidence to show that the world is mind-made or simply a projection of subjective thoughts. That Buddhism recognizes the extra-mental existence of matter and the external world is clearly suggested by the texts. Throughout the discourses it is the language of realism that one encounters.
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SureSprouticus wrote:Do keep us updated, please?
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-Y. Karunadasa
"If we base ourselves on the Pali Nikayas, then we should be compelled to conclude that Buddhism is realistic. There is no explicit denial anywhere of the external world. Nor is there any positive evidence to show that the world is mind-made or simply a projection of subjective thoughts. That Buddhism recognizes the extra-mental existence of matter and the external world is clearly suggested by the texts. Throughout the discourses it is the language of realism that one encounters.
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Re: One meal a day advice request
On One Meal a Day
This is a very difficult practice for the lay man, especially if your social context isn't a Buddhist one. I'm struggling with it (interestingly, for my conditioning, it is much more difficult than chastity).
Happy experimentation & stay strong!
This is a very difficult practice for the lay man, especially if your social context isn't a Buddhist one. I'm struggling with it (interestingly, for my conditioning, it is much more difficult than chastity).
It might take a while for your body to adjust (according to the link I shared, the author being a long-term practitioner of the One Meal a Day practice, up to 6 months), after which you'll have tons of energy. It just takes strong determination to keep going through that difficult first phase (for me it manifests mainly under the form of depression; the feeling of hunger doesn't bother me in itself).obo wrote: this is a practice that was intended to provide adequate sustenance to a Beggar whose desire to bring Kamma to an end had already caused him to become a homeless wanderer, willing to die, if necessary, to achieve his goals. It was not designed for a modern family man working long hours or doing manual labor or who was under a great deal of stress
Happy experimentation & stay strong!
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This helped tremendously. Thank youbodom wrote:Don't be so attached to a routine. When your able to keep to it fine. If not then that's just the way it is for the day. If your living the householder life this is the way it tends to be. I try to keep to a meditation schedule and routine but things come up and I'm not always able to keep to it. I have a job. Kids. A Gf. I have obligations and try to make time for all. Just do your best and don't beat yourself up if your not able to keep to your routine. Things happen beyond our control sometimes but its ok as long as we're aware of the limitations of lay life. Then there's no problems being made about it. It just is the way it is.
Re: Why one meal a day?
Paññāsikhara wrote:Then don't do it. It's that simple.alan wrote:Because it seems pointless and is certainly unhealthy, and I see no inherent virtue in it.
Have you ever lived a lifestyle of full time meditation practice, or full time Dhamma study?
If not, then it may be a bit early do declare outright that it is unhealthy and of no virtue.
Because an awful lot of Dhamma practitioners have certainly found both good health (physical and mental) in it, and also found that it is a support for a great range of virtues too (when used as a basis for proper Dhamma practice).
Great response.
Re: One meal a day advice request
2000 calories in just one meal is huge, and if you keep losing weight it means you're still burning much more than that. Do you move a lot/play sports during the day?
Don't you think you might be (a lot?) more physically active than the average monk? Maybe that's the problem.
Also, keep in mind that a significant proportion of your water intake normally comes from solid food (almost half of it actually in average diets) so don't forget to drink more to make up for those water-containing calories you're not having anymore.
And you probably know this already, but giving priority to low-GI foods and complex carbs could be helpful to feel a more sustained flow of energy.
Dozing off might be the effect of prolonged digestion (I mean, digesting 2000 calories in one go certainly takes much more than the average 3 hours it takes for a 'normal', 700 calorie meal).
Don't you think you might be (a lot?) more physically active than the average monk? Maybe that's the problem.
Also, keep in mind that a significant proportion of your water intake normally comes from solid food (almost half of it actually in average diets) so don't forget to drink more to make up for those water-containing calories you're not having anymore.
And you probably know this already, but giving priority to low-GI foods and complex carbs could be helpful to feel a more sustained flow of energy.
Dozing off might be the effect of prolonged digestion (I mean, digesting 2000 calories in one go certainly takes much more than the average 3 hours it takes for a 'normal', 700 calorie meal).