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health and celibacy

Post by mario92 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:02 am

Hi Dhammawheel is it healthy being celibate?, does it have effects in the body, like tiredness, or other illness like ulcer, etc.?
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Re: health and celibacy

Post by SarathW » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:24 am

This is a very complex question to give yes or no answer.
A good starting point is to read the following article.
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Sex is a powerful force in us all. In itself it is neither "good" nor "bad." But it can certainly create problems. And modern Western man is particularly prone to such problems, partly because of the sheer hectic pace and pressure of modern life, which exaggerates all our troubles, and more specifically because of his background.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el225.html
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: health and celibacy

Post by mario92 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:32 am

Thank you :) W. Sarath
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Post by ieee23 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:07 pm

mario92 wrote:Hi Dhammawheel is it healthy being celibate?, does it have effects in the body, like tiredness, or other illness like ulcer, etc.?
I have heard several Medical Doctors recommend that old men with lower libidos masturbate regularly, whether they are in the mood or not as it helps keep their prostates healthy.
Whatever a bhikkhu frequently thinks and ponders upon, that will become the inclination of his mind. - MN 19

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Re: health and celibacy

Post by mario92 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:01 pm

ieee23 wrote:
mario92 wrote:Hi Dhammawheel is it healthy being celibate?, does it have effects in the body, like tiredness, or other illness like ulcer, etc.?
I have heard several Medical Doctors recommend that old men with lower libidos masturbate regularly, whether they are in the mood or not as it helps keep their prostates healthy.
How can some celibate man, lay or ordained dont get prostate cancer? I think even masturbation have a bad side because you have to use your imagination. And it have effects in real life in people, it is like deciding in death or having a partner.

Ps. Death i mean cancer
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Re: health and celibacy

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:22 pm

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Re: health and celibacy

Post by Nicolas » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:58 pm

Not answering the question, but it may be good to keep this in mind:
Ṭhāna Sutta (AN 5.57) wrote:And for the sake of what benefit should a woman or a man, a householder or one gone forth, often reflect thus: ‘I am subject to illness; I am not exempt from illness’? In a state of health beings are intoxicated with their health, and when they are intoxicated with their health they engage in misconduct by body, speech, and mind. But when one often reflects upon this theme, the intoxication with health is either completely abandoned or diminished. It is for the sake of this benefit that a woman or a man, a householder or one gone forth, should often reflect thus: ‘I am subject to illness; I am not exempt from illness.’

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Post by binocular » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:19 pm

mario92 wrote:How can some celibate man, lay or ordained dont get prostate cancer? I think even masturbation have a bad side because you have to use your imagination. And it have effects in real life in people, it is like deciding in death or having a partner.

Ps. Death i mean cancer
Brilliant. So instead of men dying of prostate cancer, women should die from the side effects of hormonal contraceptives and abortions.
Just brilliant.

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Re: health and celibacy

Post by mario92 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:05 am

Well is at least the 3th precept, not adultery
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Post by mario92 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:06 am

Nicolas wrote:Not answering the question, but it may be good to keep this in mind:
Ṭhāna Sutta (AN 5.57) wrote:And for the sake of what benefit should a woman or a man, a householder or one gone forth, often reflect thus: ‘I am subject to illness; I am not exempt from illness’? In a state of health beings are intoxicated with their health, and when they are intoxicated with their health they engage in misconduct by body, speech, and mind. But when one often reflects upon this theme, the intoxication with health is either completely abandoned or diminished. It is for the sake of this benefit that a woman or a man, a householder or one gone forth, should often reflect thus: ‘I am subject to illness; I am not exempt from illness.’
Thank you
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Post by santa100 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:49 am

mario92 wrote:How can some celibate man, lay or ordained dont get prostate cancer? I think even masturbation have a bad side..
Of course there're other much better ways to prevent prostate cancer. If masturbation is the only way, then those shaolin monks who are full-time celibates would all develop this cancer. But quite the opposite, they're extremely fast and powerful, and live happily and peacefully 'til ripe old age!

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Post by paul » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:32 am

Any lay practitioner who understands the work of right effort in countering the defilements and wants to do all in their power to progress, will renounce all sexual activity beyond the letter of the precepts:
“From the spiritual standpoint it (Right Action) helps curb the expansive tendency of sexual desire and thus is a step in the direction of renunciation, which reaches its consummation in the observance of celibacy (brahmacariya) binding on monks and nuns. ”—“The Noble Eightfold Path”, Bikkhu Bodhi.

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Re: health and celibacy

Post by mario92 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:01 am

Lucas Oliveira wrote:Tantric Theravada?
https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10503

Celibacy and Tantric Buddhism
https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=24497

inner alchemy
https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=28715

"Moderation in what is beneficial"? - Yoga connections.
https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=26874

:namaste:
Thank you :) Lucas
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Post by mario92 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:17 am

paul wrote:Any lay practitioner who understands the work of right effort in countering the defilements and wants to do all in their power to progress, will renounce all sexual activity beyond the letter of the precepts:
“From the spiritual standpoint it (Right Action) helps curb the expansive tendency of sexual desire and thus is a step in the direction of renunciation, which reaches its consummation in the observance of celibacy (brahmacariya) binding on monks and nuns. ”—“The Noble Eightfold Path”, Bikkhu Bodhi.
This is difficult i had practising it, but even a hello from the opposite sex, can lead to much lust when waking up in the morning, is the first time since years that now i take this practice, so sometimes i dont feel happy, i feel confused most of the time, but even if it hurts some times it is better, but as i began to practice i felt like goodness or nobility in my character, and then temptation arises again, and i lose control. I had done also some sexual misconduct like seeing improper images in the internet, only understanding can save me, i feel confused and like going astray, i have a problem with being handsome :| , i attract many sights so that is not so good after all.
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Re: health and celibacy

Post by mario92 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:22 am

santa100 wrote:
mario92 wrote:How can some celibate man, lay or ordained dont get prostate cancer? I think even masturbation have a bad side..
Of course there're other much better ways to prevent prostate cancer. If masturbation is the only way, then those shaolin monks who are full-time celibates would all develop this cancer. But quite the opposite, they're extremely fast and powerful, and live happily and peacefully 'til ripe old age!
Thank you, i had been practising yoga, for the first time after many years, i have been practising it like 3 days and i felt it is very useful to rest the body and being healthy.
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Re: health and celibacy

Post by paul » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:04 am

Specific sexual methods would not be mentioned in the suttas according with standards of shame and dread:
“ To be ashamed of what one ought to be ashamed of, to be ashamed of performing evil and unwholesome things: this is called moral shame. To be in dread of what one ought to be in dread of, to be in dread of performing evil and unwholesome things: this is called moral dread.” —Puggala-Pannatti. 79,80.
But whenever the ignobility of the home life is mentioned, that can be taken to include such activities. Therefore even in lay life the practitioner should make a clear division between conventional and ultimate reality.

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Re: health and celibacy

Post by mario92 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:17 pm

Thank you, i think you mean by conventional reality, the fact of being a man, with the desire to know the opposite sex, only for gain or pleasure, or having formal relationship,etc.? I think this also is very dangerous. Ultimate reality as internal characteristics, of freedom from desire, and happiness, calmness, etc.? I hope to have success even if my mind tells me all the time the opposite.
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Re: health and celibacy

Post by paul » Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:38 am

The temperament inclined towards sensual desire (rather than anger) will likely develop a desire state of mind in terms of the third foundation of mindfulness and that requires the establishment of a practice counter to desire as explained here:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el026.html

Conventional reality begins with name (which is an arbitrary designation) and is then connected to the institutions of human society whose function is the maintenance of the body. It purports to be ultimate and most people take it as such and live their lives attempting to achieve happiness through its goals. One of the biggest challenges for the practitioner who does not regularly frequent wilderness areas is to develop detachment to conventional reality. ---MN 121
Ultimate reality in this context is any thought that is concerned with dhamma and renunciation, for at that time the mind is turned in the direction of nibbana. So these two categories should be established.

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Re: health and celibacy

Post by mario92 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:01 pm

Thank you paul :), i was reading the maha satipatthana sutta and while reading it i became very relaxed.
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Re: health and celibacy

Post by khemindas » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:30 am

In my opinion western medicine creates a big myth, about use of sex, and harm of his absence. And the second, even if sex would help to health , and his absence would harm, it would not important, because spiritual development is more important then health.

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