Why did the Buddha choose not to live of Light?

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Why did the Buddha choose not to live of Light?

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:37 pm

Why did the Buddha choose not to live of Light?

"Devas, on seeing me, said, 'Gotama the contemplative is dead.' Other devas said, 'He isn't dead, he's dying.' Others said, 'He's neither dead nor dying, he's an arahant, for this is the way arahants live.'

"I thought: 'Suppose I were to practice going altogether without food.' Then devas came to me and said, 'Dear sir, please don't practice going altogether without food. If you go altogether without food, we'll infuse divine nourishment in through your pores, and you will survive on that.' I thought, 'If I were to claim to be completely fasting while these devas are infusing divine nourishment in through my pores, I would be lying.' So I dismissed them, saying, 'Enough.'
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Re: Why did the Buddha choose not to live of Light?

Post by coucholder » Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:07 am

My friend,

I am alarmed by this post. According to the sutta from which you quoted, the Buddha was in direct contact with divine beings who were offering to nourish him with their superhuman power. He was not considering "living of Light" or "breatharianism" or "pranic nourishment" as taught my Ellen "Jasmuheen" Greve, which has in fact killed those who sincerely attempted to implement her teachings. It is commonly believed that her claims to not having eaten any food for over a decade are lies, and she refuses to submit herself to any scientific observation that might verify her claims or teachings.

"Man cannot live by bread alone," but he certainly can't live by breath alone either! I do not want a fellow Buddhist to risk death over such a silly gimmick, especially because the Awakened One Himself didn't even insist that His followers become vegetarians much less that they live on no solid food whatsoever!
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buddho me saraṇaṃ varaṃ
etena sacca-vajjena
hotu me jayamaṅgalaṃ


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Re: Why did the Buddha choose not to live of Light?

Post by Jetavan » Mon May 01, 2017 11:25 am

He did live off of Light. Matter is just Light in another form.

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Re: Why did the Buddha choose not to live of Light?

Post by R1111 = rightviewftw » Mon May 01, 2017 6:42 pm

I have tried it and I don't think it is possible, if i were to undertake the practise i would surely be dead within 6-7 months no matter activity level and climate as i am considered "underweight" to begin with, if i had more bulk i could survive longer but only until the fat and muscle tissues are completely consumed. Realisticaly i think id be dead within two months tho.

I am surprised with your willingness to interpret the Sutta in that way, there is absolutely nothing suggesting that there is nutritional value in Radiation emitted from the Sun and nothing suggesting that "Divine Nourishment" is light emitted from the Sun. I advice you to stick to The Buddha Sasana.

If this was possible it would be very easy to prove and people would be doing it already. When i see claims of somebody doing this i call bullshit and fake guru without hestitation.
The 65-year-old, originally from Birmingham in the UK, has been consuming just water and "one, maybe two cups of tea a day" for the past 41 days, losing 30lbs in the process
The tone of her Facebook updates has changed as time has elapsed, with it appearing this week that Shine would not put herself at risk if she continues to deteriorate. On Monday she wrote that she would not drop down below 120lbs; suggesting an end to her attempt may be in sight.
She said she had started adding "a package of EmergenC" into her water, which she said had no nutritional value, although the website of the supplement shows that a typical package does contain 25 calories and a number of vitamins and minerals.

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Re: Why did the Buddha choose not to live of Light?

Post by Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon May 01, 2017 7:33 pm

Lucas Oliveira wrote:Why did the Buddha choose not to live of Light?
The answer is clear from the text itself.
'I thought, 'If I were to claim to be completely fasting while these devas are infusing divine nourishment in through my pores, I would be lying.' So I dismissed them, saying, 'Enough.'
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Re: Why did the Buddha choose not to live of Light?

Post by dylanj » Mon May 01, 2017 7:35 pm

Lucas Oliveira wrote:Why did the Buddha choose not to live of Light?

"Devas, on seeing me, said, 'Gotama the contemplative is dead.' Other devas said, 'He isn't dead, he's dying.' Others said, 'He's neither dead nor dying, he's an arahant, for this is the way arahants live.'

"I thought: 'Suppose I were to practice going altogether without food.' Then devas came to me and said, 'Dear sir, please don't practice going altogether without food. If you go altogether without food, we'll infuse divine nourishment in through your pores, and you will survive on that.' I thought, 'If I were to claim to be completely fasting while these devas are infusing divine nourishment in through my pores, I would be lying.' So I dismissed them, saying, 'Enough.'


Your answer is right here. He was going to go altogether without food. Then when he had made that decision the Devas chose to force-feed him. So he had no option, either he ate or he lied.
susukhaṃ vata nibbānaṃ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṃ;
asokaṃ virajaṃ khemaṃ,
yattha dukkhaṃ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ panītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all fabrications, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: Why did the Buddha choose not to live of Light?

Post by lostitude » Sun May 21, 2017 8:32 pm

Jetavan wrote:He did live off of Light. Matter is just Light in another form.
How so? Food is carbon, light is photons...

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Re: Why did the Buddha choose not to live of Light?

Post by Jetavan » Mon May 22, 2017 1:16 am

lostitude wrote:
Jetavan wrote:He did live off of Light. Matter is just Light in another form.
How so? Food is carbon, light is photons...
Photons can theoretically be transformed into electrons. We now have the experimental equipment to actually do it.

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Re: Why did the Buddha choose not to live of Light?

Post by lostitude » Tue May 23, 2017 5:13 pm

Jetavan wrote:
lostitude wrote:
Jetavan wrote:He did live off of Light. Matter is just Light in another form.
How so? Food is carbon, light is photons...
Photons can theoretically be transformed into electrons. We now have the experimental equipment to actually do it.
But our bodies are not equipped with photon-photon colliders, there doesn't seem to be gamma-rays of the intensity required for this in our atmosphere, and even if there were, electrons alone are still of no use to a normal human body... How do you transform an electron into an atom of carbon?

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