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How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

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Re: How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

Postby lostitude » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:37 pm

Her diet seems to be working really well for her, but Jeanne Calment, who started practising fencing at age 85, still rode her bike at 100, and died at 122 (the longest living human ever recorded), attributed her longevity to her daily glass of Porto wine, one kilo of chocolate per week, and a lot of onion with her meat :)

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Re: How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

Postby Mkoll » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:41 pm

lostitude wrote:Her diet seems to be working really well for her, but Jeanne Calment, who started practising fencing at age 85, still rode her bike at 100, and died at 122 (the longest living human ever recorded), attributed her longevity to her daily glass of Porto wine, one kilo of chocolate per week, and a lot of onion with her meat :)

She also smoked cigarettes. What a paragon of healthful living. :tongue:
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Re: How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:49 pm

lostitude wrote:The longest living human ever recorded.


That's open to debate. The Venerable Bakula Thera lived to the ripe age of 160.
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Postby No_Mind » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:53 pm

lostitude wrote:The longest living human ever recorded.


Trailanga Swami lived till 280
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Postby Mkoll » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:57 pm

Methuselah: 969.

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Re: How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

Postby lostitude » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:07 am

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
lostitude wrote:The longest living human ever recorded.


That's open to debate. The Venerable Bakula Thera lived to the ripe age of 160.
Yes I should have put it differently, I guess she's the oldest person whose age was ever verified and confirmed based on official and traceable census documents. Although that too could be debated I guess.

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Dipankara: 100,000 years

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Re: How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

Postby Mkoll » Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:45 am

Length of time a slanderer of the Noble Ones goes to hell according to AN 10.89 (yes I'd calculated this out) = 2.000725 x 10^48 years or

2000725000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years.

For perspective, our universe is 13.82 billion years old or

13820000000 years old.

None of this remotely compares to numbers mathematicians have come up with, such as Graham's number:

Graham's number, although smaller than TREE(3), is much larger than many other large numbers such as Skewes' number and Moser's number, both of which are in turn much larger than a googolplex. As with these, it is so large that the observable universe is far too small to contain an ordinary digital representation of Graham's number, assuming that each digit occupies one Planck volume, possibly the smallest measurable space.
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Re: How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

Postby No_Mind » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:15 am

Mkoll wrote:Length of time a slanderer of the Noble Ones goes to hell according to AN 10.89 (yes I'd calculated this out) = 2.000725 x 10^48 years or

2000725000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years.
2000725000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 was checking if our calculations line up :lol:



Hold on ..

Bhikkhu, a comparison could be given. Bhikkhu, there is a man with twenty cart loads of sesame by the Kosala measure. He throws out one seed of sesame at the end of a hundred years and throws another, at the end of another hundred years. In this manner the twenty cart loads of sesame would finish and come to an end but not the span of, one Abuda hell.

Bhikkhu, twenty of these Abuda hell spans is equal to one Nirabbuda hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Nirabbuda hell spans is equal to one Ababa hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Ababa hell spans is equal to one Atata hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Atata hell spans is equal to one Ahaha hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Ahaha hell spans is equal to one Kumudu hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Kumudu hell spans is equal to one Sogandhika hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Sogandhika hell spans is equal to one Uppalaka hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Uppalaka hell spans is equal to one Pundirika hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Pundirika hell spans is equal to one Paduma hell span.

AN10:89


How big is the sesame cart? How did you know that :thinking:
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Re: How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

Postby Mkoll » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:26 am

Thanks for the feedback. :)

For completeness, here is the note and relevant part of the sutta it's based on, both from Ven. Bodhi's translation:

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AN 10.89 wrote:"For a hundred thousand
and thirty-six nirabbudas, plus five abbudas,
the slanderer of noble ones goes to hell,
having defamed them with evil speech and mind."


edit - and here's the calculation:

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Re: How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

Postby No_Mind » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:44 am

Mkoll wrote:Thanks for the feedback. :)

For completeness, here is the note and relevant part of the sutta it's based on, both from Ven. Bodhi's translation:


Bhikkhu, a comparison could be given. Bhikkhu, there is a man with twenty cart loads of sesame by the Kosala measure. He throws out one seed of sesame at the end of a hundred years and throws another, at the end of another hundred years. In this manner the twenty cart loads of sesame would finish and come to an end but not the span of, one Abuda hell.

Bhikkhu, twenty of these Abuda hell spans is equal to one Nirabbuda hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Nirabbuda hell spans is equal to one Ababa hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Ababa hell spans is equal to one Atata hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Atata hell spans is equal to one Ahaha hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Ahaha hell spans is equal to one Kumudu hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Kumudu hell spans is equal to one Sogandhika hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Sogandhika hell spans is equal to one Uppalaka hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Uppalaka hell spans is equal to one Pundirika hell span. Bhikkhu, twenty of these Pundirika hell spans is equal to one Paduma hell span.

AN10:89


Let number of sesame in a cart be x

x * 100 years * 20 carts = end of one Abuda hell * 20 = one Nirabbuda hell * 20 = Abada hell * 20 = Atata hell * 20 = Ahaha hell * 20 = Kumudu hell * 20 = Sogandhika hell * 20 = Uppalaka hell * 20 = Pundirika hell * 20 = Paduma

x * 100 * 20^10 = 1024000000000000x

If a cart is 6 ft by 4 ft by 1.5 ft

volume in cubic mm = 1828.8 * 1219.2 * 457.2 mm^3 = 1019406477.31 mm^3 = reject 0.31 and we have 1019406477 mm^3. One sesame seed is about 1 mm^3

x = 1019406477

1019406477 * 1024000000000000

1043872232448000000000000

2000725000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (Mkoll's number)

Why this difference?

Even if sesame seed is 1/2 mm^3 and the first man sinned in middle of Abuda hell span

1043872232448000000000000 * 2 * 2 = 4175488929792000000000000 still huge difference

Assuming the cart is 3 times larger in dimensions 18 ft by 12 ft by 4.5 ft (that is 27 times the current volume) we have

4175488929792000000000000 * 27 = 112738201104384000000000000 still much less :(

2.000725 x 10^48 vs 1.127382 * 10^26

vastly smaller

Will go over the calculation again later. Edit Add verified my calculations.
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Re: How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

Postby Mkoll » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:55 am

No_Mind wrote:Why this difference?

I don't think he meant the similes to be interpreted absolutely literally. He uses them because they're more relatable to his audience and they impress themselves on the mind more easily than an unimaginably large number. This sutta is interesting in that it actually gives numbers to work with whereas most of the suttas that have him describing some unimaginably large number use relatable similes: sands on the river Ganges, jujube kernels, cloth stroking a mountainside, etc.
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Re: How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

Postby No_Mind » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:10 am

Mkoll wrote:
No_Mind wrote:Why this difference?

I don't think he meant the similes to be interpreted absolutely literally. He uses them because they're more relatable to his audience and they impress themselves on the mind more easily than an unimaginably large number. This sutta is interesting in that it actually gives numbers to work with whereas most of the suttas that have him describing some unimaginably large number use relatable similes: sands on the river Ganges, jujube kernels, cloth stroking a mountainside, etc.


Are you suggesting Buddha was picking numbers off the top of his head as he went along .. that is heresy my dear fellow.

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Re: How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

Postby Mkoll » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:19 am

Hah!

You'll notice that he said that:
In this manner the twenty cart loads of sesame would finish and come to an end but not the span of, one Abuda hell.

So he's not giving a precise number for the length of the time spent hell. He's only saying that the length of the time spent wouldn't be finished when those sesame seeds have all been thrown out. So a simile that resulted in any number under my calculated number would work. He probably used 20 carts because it's easy for someone to imagine 20 carts full of sesame seeds in front of them. He probably could have used 1000 carts and still be far short of my calculated number, but that's harder for the listeners to imagine.
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Re: How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

Postby No_Mind » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:21 am

Mkoll wrote:Hah!

You'll notice that he said that:
In this manner the twenty cart loads of sesame would finish and come to an end but not the span of, one Abuda hell. meaning say the man began when Abuda period was half over and from there till end .. e.g you entered when movie is half over and stayed till end of movie but you did not stay its span

So he's not giving a precise number for the length of the time spent hell. He's only saying that the length of the time spent wouldn't be finished when those sesame seeds have all been thrown out. So a simile that resulted in any number under my calculated number would work. He probably used 20 carts because it's easy for someone to imagine 20 carts full of sesame seeds in front of them. He probably could have used 1000 carts and still be far short of my calculated number, but that's harder for the listeners to imagine.



Ha, I assumed half of Abuda and times 2 (the * 2 * 2 step)

and even if the man was 1/10th along Abuda (and not half) we have a difference of 10^22 and 1/10th would only strike off 1 exponential place. We still have 10^21 difference.

If you make it 2000 carts that would still leave 10^18 difference. Vast by any standard .. even imaginary.
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Re: How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

Postby lostitude » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:30 pm

I wonder if SarathW had any idea her thread would end up discussing abuda :)

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Re: How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

Postby No_Mind » Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:41 pm

lostitude wrote:I wonder if SarathW had any idea her thread would end up discussing abuda :)


Sarath is a he :tongue: Sarath is a male Sri Lankan name. Maybe something like Sarath Weerasekara or Wickramasinghe short form SarathW.

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Could not help but share my other hero Sam Bryant, 70 year old bodybuilder. At 00:59 he is shrugging a pair of 120 lbs dumbbells.

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Re: How to live long - an advise from 74 year old

Postby mario92 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:13 am

I read a story of a chinese man that lived like 240 years aproximately, i cant remember well
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Postby mario92 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:14 am

I think karma is the first topic we should understand before starting in meditation.


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