The truth about egg yolks?
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I don't think this is a very dietetic way to prepare eggs.. It's very oily, and it doesn't leave the yolk liquid, as it should be.
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Your right. It is not. But stress isn't healthy either, so we have to have a fried egg if we want one every once in a while to stay stress-free about our food choices. :Sekha wrote:I don't think this is a very dietetic way to prepare eggs.. It's very oily, and it doesn't leave the yolk liquid, as it should be.
But honestly, yeah, definitely not the healthiest.
Kevin
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Kindly,
dL
Consuming cholesterol is for the most part irrelevant as shown in the topic here called The cholesterol myth. What's relevant to cholesterol levels is fat and protein consumption (aside from the social engineering issues--see, for instance, The Rise and Fall of Modern Medicine by the British physician and researcher James Le Fanu--and the contoversy of recent blood serum cholesterol measures as largely just medical-industrial-complex hype--see, for instance, Overdosed America: The Broken Promise of American Medicine by the American phyisican and researcher John Abramson). Our bodies use the fats and proteins we eat to make virtually all of the cholesterol our body uses to support vital functions (like building and maintaining membranes; modulating membrane fluidity over the range of physiological temperatures; intracellular transport, cell signaling and nerve conduction; myelin sheathing of neurons for insulation and more efficient conduction of nerve impulses--low cholesterol is implicated in Alzheimer's--; aiding in the intestinal absorption of essential fat molecules as well as the fat-soluble vitamins, A, D, E, and K; and serving as an important precursor molecule for the synthesis of vitamin D and the steroid hormones, including the adrenal gland hormones cortisol and aldosterone, as well as the sex hormones progesterone, estrogens, and testosterone, and their derivatives. Some research even indicates it may act as an antioxidant.)Virgo wrote:The average adult, in decent health, without abnormal cholesterol levels, should have no more intake than 300 mg of cholesterol per day.
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Adding the above content to the idea of buying organic eggs, I don't think this information is very accurate.
Researchers like Richard Lazarus, Hans Selye (e.g., in his book, Stress Without Distress) and Robert Robert Sapolsky (e.g., in his books Stress, the Aging Brain, and the Mechanisms of Neuron Death, Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers and his course "Stress and Your Body") would disagree and argue that there are two types of stress: distress ("bad" stress) and eustress ("good" stress).Virgo wrote:But stress isn't healthy either, so we have to have a fried egg if we want one every once in a while to stay stress-free about our food choices.
Kindly,
dL
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Thanks for the information. I'll take a look at it.danieLion wrote:Hi Kevin,Consuming cholesterol is for the most part irrelevant as shown in the topic here called The cholesterol myth. What's relevant to cholesterol levels is fat and protein consumption (aside from the social engineering issues--see, for instance, The Rise and Fall of Modern Medicine by the British physician and researcher James Le Fanu--and the contoversy of recent blood serum cholesterol measures as largely just medical-industrial-complex hype--see, for instance, Overdosed America: The Broken Promise of American Medicine by the American phyisican and researcher John Abramson). Our bodies use the fats and proteins we eat to make virtually all of the cholesterol our body uses to support vital functions (like building and maintaining membranes; modulating membrane fluidity over the range of physiological temperatures; intracellular transport, cell signaling and nerve conduction; myelin sheathing of neurons for insulation and more efficient conduction of nerve impulses--low cholesterol is implicated in Alzheimer's--; aiding in the intestinal absorption of essential fat molecules as well as the fat-soluble vitamins, A, D, E, and K; and serving as an important precursor molecule for the synthesis of vitamin D and the steroid hormones, including the adrenal gland hormones cortisol and aldosterone, as well as the sex hormones progesterone, estrogens, and testosterone, and their derivatives. Some research even indicates it may act as an antioxidant.)Virgo wrote:The average adult, in decent health, without abnormal cholesterol levels, should have no more intake than 300 mg of cholesterol per day.
Well I don't want either.Researchers like Richard Lazarus, Hans Selye (e.g., in his book, Stress Without Distress) and Robert Robert Sapolsky (e.g., in his books Stress, the Aging Brain, and the Mechanisms of Neuron Death, Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers and his course "Stress and Your Body") would disagree and argue that there are two types of stress: distress ("bad" stress) and eustress ("good" stress).
Kindly,
dL
Kevin
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I think what we can say for sure DL is that it is best not to be overly attached. Scientists and doctors seem to be constantly changing their minds about cholesterol.
Kevin
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The problem when it comes to dietetics is that we get to hear everything and its opposite.
I think it could be a wise approach to see what traditional medicines have to say on the matter, because they have had the time to examine this kind of issues over extended periods of time.
As quoted above, Chinese medicine seems to considers egg yolks as harmless:
I think it could be a wise approach to see what traditional medicines have to say on the matter, because they have had the time to examine this kind of issues over extended periods of time.
As quoted above, Chinese medicine seems to considers egg yolks as harmless:
Sekha wrote:This article suggests according to Chinese medicine, egg yolks have no impact on health:Chicken egg yolks are considered “neutral” in terms of qi energy. In traditional Chinese medicine, the body’s energy or qi, needs to be balanced to ensure good health. Foods are usually qualified as hot or cold, and overindulgence in either hot or cold foods can unbalance the body’s energy. As a result, neutral dietary foods like chicken egg yolk are useful for their lesser impact on qi.
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With regards to cholesterol and the purported "myth": http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/cholesterol/
With regards to egg and safety:
Something to contemplate while you are eating your breakfast.
With regards to egg and safety:
Despite the egg industry’s best efforts to put a “healthy” spin (see also here) on egg consumption, eggs contain high levels of cholesterol (see here & here) and may contain carcinogenic retroviruses, toxic pollutants (such as PCB, arsenic, phthalates), and Salmonella (see here and here). Consuming just one egg per day can significantly shorten our lifespan and increase our risk of heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes, and some types of cancer (such as pancreatic (here too) and breast). Eating a meatless, egg-less, plant-based diet may improve mood, lower the risk of cataracts, neurological diseases, food poisoning, heart disease, diabetes, and even help reverse rheumatoid arthritis. This may be due in part to the arachidonic acid and cholesterol in eggs and the relative lack of antioxidant phytonutrients (see here, here, here, & here).
-- http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/eggs/
And lets not forget about the intense suffering of chickens to produce eggs:In 2008, the Harvard Physician’s Health Study, which followed about about 20,000 physicians for 20 years, found that those eating just a single egg a day or more had significantly higher total mortality risk, meaning eating just one egg a day was significantly associated with living, on average, a shorter life. Later that year, that same single serving of egg was significantly associated with death and hospitalization from heart failure.
In 2009, it was diabetes. We’d known how bad eggs were for people with diabetes (doubling their risk of death), but it wasn’t until “Egg Consumption and Risk of Type 2 Diabetes in Men and Women”—another Harvard study—that we learned how much eating eggs increases our risk of getting the dreaded disease in the first place. Compared to those eating less than an egg a week, men eating just one a day appear to raise their risk of developing type 2 diabetes 58%, and women, 77% more risk.
That’s all old news I’ve covered before (here and here). What’s the latest? Well, whereas the twin Harvard death and diabetes studies followed mostly middle-aged men and women in their early 50s, the Health, Aging and Body Composition Study, published this summer, found that the risk associated with eggs extends well into one’s seventies. And if eggs raise one’s risk of type 2 diabetes so much, what about gestational diabetes, the loss of blood sugar control affecting up to 1 in 10 pregnancies? It was apparently never researched until this year, when a new study found that women eating one egg a day or more doubled their odds. “In conclusion,” the researchers write, “high egg and cholesterol intakes before and during pregnancy are associated with increased risk of gestational diabetes mellitus.”
The most important study, though, was a landmark review published last fall. It is the subject of my video-of-the-day both today and tomorrow. On Friday I’ll continue the theme of science scrambled by the egg industry. Yesterday’s video-of-the-day concerned the dairy industry’s attempt to mislead the public about milk and mucus. S’not as bad as the egg industry trying to downplay the risks of cholesterol, though, with egg consumption now tied to diabetes, heart failure, and premature death.
-Michael Greger, M.D.
-- http://nutritionfacts.org/2011/08/31/bad-egg/
Something to contemplate while you are eating your breakfast.
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I buy from a friend who raises chickens, not from a supermarket or other factory farm goods selling outfit.Ben wrote: Something to contemplate while you are eating your breakfast.
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Kevin,Virgo wrote:I buy from a friend who raises chickens, not from a supermarket or other factory farm goods selling outfit.Ben wrote: Something to contemplate while you are eating your breakfast.
I think that is ethically better for the chickens.
However, there are significant health-related risks associated with egg consumption.
It is one of the reasons why I no longer eat them.
kind regards,
Ben
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Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
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Hi Ben,Ben wrote:Kevin,I buy from a friend who raises chickens, not from a supermarket or other factory farm goods selling outfit.
I think that is ethically better for the chickens.
However, there are significant health-related risks associated with egg consumption.
It is one of the reasons why I no longer eat them.
kind regards,
Ben
Yes, those factory farms concern me at times. These chickens have a more normal existence.
As far as the other health concerns with eggs, I am not too worried about it personally. After all, we never know what will happen in life. Some will have the strong kamma that produces vipakka which allows them to live to 123 years old without ever reading an article on nutrition (like the guy in Bolivia), or if it is other kamma, you may wind up with a piece of food that contains some rare virus which kills you, even though it would otherwise be something healthy. So while I appreciate your advice (and read it with interest), I take everything with a grain of salt... no, wait a minute.. maybe not salt... oh, nevermind!
Thanks
P.S. It's amazing, sometimes we are more attached than others, sometimes we are not attached - all by conditions!
Kevin
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Someone who doesn't even understand (or is unwilling to acknowledge) that dietary cholesterol has virtually no effect on blood serum cholesterol, and who ignores the fact that if you buy organic eggs from free-range chickens none of these concerns are valid, hardly has credibility. The way this guy thinks makes me wonder if he's getting enough protein (and the phrase "purported 'myth'" is redundant).With regards to cholesterol and the purported "myth": http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/cholesterol/ ...http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/eggs ...http://nutritionfacts.org/2011/08/31/bad-egg/
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This is not true with free-range, organic eggs.And lets not forget about the intense suffering of chickens to produce eggs...
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I agree with you Kevin, but I think we play a large part ourselves as active agents with respect to our happiness, health and longevity. Your 123 year-old Bolivian may not have read a single article about nutrition in his long life, but I would imagine that his dietary practices were pretty good.Virgo wrote:Hi Ben,Ben wrote:Kevin,I buy from a friend who raises chickens, not from a supermarket or other factory farm goods selling outfit.
I think that is ethically better for the chickens.
However, there are significant health-related risks associated with egg consumption.
It is one of the reasons why I no longer eat them.
kind regards,
Ben
Yes, those factory farms concern me at times. These chickens have a more normal existence.
As far as the other health concerns with eggs, I am not too worried about it personally. After all, we never know what will happen in life. Some will have the strong kamma that produces vipakka which allows them to live to 123 years old without ever reading an article on nutrition (like the guy in Bolivia), or if it is other kamma, you may wind up with a piece of food that contains some rare virus which kills you, even though it would otherwise be something healthy. So while I appreciate your advice (and read it with interest), I take everything with a grain of salt... no, wait a minute.. maybe not salt... oh, nevermind!
Thanks
P.S. It's amazing, sometimes we are more attached than others, sometimes we are not attached - all by conditions!
Kevin
kind regards,
Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
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e: [email protected]..
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
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Speaking of credibility - one should always follow the evidence and not cherry-pick evidence to suit their pet theories.danieLion wrote:RE:Someone who doesn't even understand (or is unwilling to acknowledge) that dietary cholesterol has virtually no effect on blood serum cholesterol, and who ignores the fact that if you buy organic eggs from free-range chickens none of these concerns are valid, hardly has credibility. The way this guy thinks makes me wonder if he's getting enough protein (and the phrase "purported 'myth'" is redundant).With regards to cholesterol and the purported "myth": http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/cholesterol/ ...http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/eggs ...http://nutritionfacts.org/2011/08/31/bad-egg/
RE:This is not true with free-range, organic eggs.And lets not forget about the intense suffering of chickens to produce eggs...
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..
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Correlations aren't causes, and citing one vegan doctor's opinions is not a scientific way to go about understanding nutrition. In the thread "The cholesterol myth," I cited a variety of sources....there are significant health-related risks associated with egg consumption...
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See my last post. No cherry picking ocurred in "The cholesterol myth" topic. Have you ever taken a college course in nutrition science? I have. I speak from a broad perspective, not one "cherry picked," unlike citing one vegan doctor.Speaking of credibility - one should always follow the evidence and not cherry-pick evidence to suit their pet theories.