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Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:28 pm
by robertk
a favorite recipe
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Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:39 pm
by Justsit
beeblebrox wrote:It is naive to think that everyone would have the means (even the slightest ones) or the ability to do a basic research, to judge the information's values, or to keep up to date on things... but even then, if it was everyone's own responsibility to check up on everything themselves, especially by digging up in the way that you suggested, then there will be no time for them to do anything that is worthwhile.
The basic research is already done, all that is required is to have sufficient motivation to access it.
Many people seem to have time for video games, The Bachelor, Entertainment Tonight, net surfing (!), marathon shopping at the mall, football, or whatever. Perhaps a few minutes on one's health isn't such a burden?

It's not rocket science. Eat real food, as close to the natural form as you can get. Avoid all processed food, manipulated food, fast food, and pretty much anything that comes off a production line or in a box; eat certified organic as often as possible (not 'Natural," which is a useless term for assessing healthy foods). Drink clean water. Basic common sense healthy behaviors.

Unfortunately, many people have learned helplessness and wait for someone else to tell them what to do and come solve their problems. Or, they want a problem fixed but are not willing to change or step outside their comfort zone to fix it. As an RN, not without compassion, I've found this is just a sad fact.

Each of us is ultimately responsible for caring for our own bodies. Science and the government can only do so much, you have to do your part. Is that unreasonable?? :shrug:

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:41 pm
by Justsit
robertk wrote:a favorite recipe...

:jawdrop:

At first I thought that was a joke :rolleye:

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:56 pm
by robertk
Justsit wrote:
robertk wrote:a favorite recipe...

:jawdrop:

At first I thought that was a joke :rolleye:
never knock home cooking.

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:05 pm
by Justsit
robertk wrote:
Justsit wrote:
robertk wrote:a favorite recipe...

:jawdrop:

At first I thought that was a joke :rolleye:
never knock home cooking.
:rofl:

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:42 pm
by Mr Man
Justsit wrote:
The basic research is already done, all that is required is to have sufficient motivation to access it.
Many people seem to have time for video games, The Bachelor, Entertainment Tonight, net surfing (!), marathon shopping at the mall, football, or whatever. Perhaps a few minutes on one's health isn't such a burden?

It's not rocket science. Eat real food, as close to the natural form as you can get. Avoid all processed food, manipulated food, fast food, and pretty much anything that comes off a production line or in a box; eat certified organic as often as possible (not 'Natural," which is a useless term for assessing healthy foods). Drink clean water. Basic common sense healthy behaviors.

Unfortunately, many people have learned helplessness and wait for someone else to tell them what to do and come solve their problems. Or, they want a problem fixed but are not willing to change or step outside their comfort zone to fix it. As an RN, not without compassion, I've found this is just a sad fact.

Each of us is ultimately responsible for caring for our own bodies. Science and the government can only do so much, you have to do your part. Is that unreasonable?? :shrug:
Justsit, have you got any kids? Oh and all that other stuff that you wrote, someone taught you that.

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:58 pm
by Justsit
Mr Man wrote:... all that other stuff that you wrote, someone taught you that.
Of course, I read and study a variety of sources. Not sure what your point is. I'm not saying people need to come up with all the answers themselves, just that they can find the "hidden facts" in readily available sources.

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:25 pm
by Mr Man
Justsit wrote:
Mr Man wrote:... all that other stuff that you wrote, someone taught you that.
Of course, I read and study a variety of sources. Not sure what your point is. I'm not saying people need to come up with all the answers themselves, just that they can find the "hidden facts" in readily available sources.

My point is that we are a part of society. Our responsibility goes beyond just ourselves. We are "Science and the government".

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:47 pm
by Justsit
Mr Man wrote: We are "Science and the government".
How so?

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:05 am
by Mr Man
Because we are not independant or separate. We are a part of society.

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:10 am
by Dmytro

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:33 pm
by Justsit
Mr Man wrote:Because we are not independant or separate. We are a part of society.
Agreed. But I'm not sure how your statement ties in to our discussion of the need for understanding how food is manipulated.
Could you explain further?

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:56 pm
by Mr Man
Justsit wrote:
Mr Man wrote:Because we are not independant or separate. We are a part of society.
Agreed. But I'm not sure how your statement ties in to our discussion of the need for understanding how food is manipulated.
Could you explain further?
I think I'm going to leave it. :anjali:

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:07 pm
by beeblebrox
Justsit wrote:
Mr Man wrote:Because we are not independant or separate. We are a part of society.
Agreed. But I'm not sure how your statement ties in to our discussion of the need for understanding how food is manipulated.
What about sharing that kind of understanding with others (the ones who are not already in the choir)... or try to encourage others to have that understanding... or to frame the understanding in such a way which will make the manufacturers willing to develop foods that are healthy, but still appealing for their customers? All of these are beneficial actions.

They're better than just saying: "Many people don't care about this anyway... this has been my observation. I'm happy that this is not a problem for me, because I already did a lot of research and already know what is healthy for myself. Caveat Emptor."

If everyone had that kind of perspective, then the people who have no understanding will surely drag us down with them... as our options for the healthy food run out, for example. (Who would want to buy these seeds anyway... no one cares enough to grow their own garden, anymore. Let's stop manufacturing them!)

That is how the samsara works... kamma is everything. No one is an island.

:soap:

:anjali:

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:30 pm
by Justsit
beeblebrox wrote:
Justsit wrote:
Mr Man wrote:Because we are not independant or separate. We are a part of society.
Agreed. But I'm not sure how your statement ties in to our discussion of the need for understanding how food is manipulated.
What about sharing that kind of understanding with others (the ones who are not already in the choir)... or try to encourage others to have that understanding... or to frame the understanding in such a way which will make the manufacturers willing to develop foods that are healthy, but still appealing for their customers? All of these are beneficial actions.

They're better than just saying: "Many people don't care about this anyway... this has been my observation. I'm happy that this is not a problem for me, because I already did a lot of research and already know what is healthy for myself. Caveat Emptor."

If everyone had that kind of perspective, then the people who have no understanding will surely drag us down with them... as our options for the healthy food run out, for example. (Who would want to buy these seeds anyway... no one cares enough to grow their own garden, anymore. Let's stop manufacturing them!)

That is how the samsara works... kamma is everything. No one is an island.

:soap:

:anjali:
I'm a nurse - sharing this information is what I do!

This is not a quote - I never said this, nor did I imply it: I'm happy that this is not a problem for me, because I already did a lot of research and already know what is healthy for myself.

Think I'm done here too.

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:01 pm
by beeblebrox
Mr Man wrote: I think I'm going to leave it.
Justsit wrote: Think I'm done here too.
It seems like some people in here are just talking past each other... myself included. (I apologize for that.)

There doesn't seem to be any real effort in trying to listen, or to understand where the other person is trying to coming from. We seem to be only concerned in trying to push our own viewpoint, and then we drop out when it seems to fail.

There is no collaboration in trying to do anything better. I think that maybe this is the real tragedy.

:anjali:

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:28 pm
by Mr Man
Hi beeblebrox
Who knows maybe justsit took something from my posts and maybe I took something justsits post and maybe we both took somthing from your posts?

I dropped out because I thought I was struggling to communicate and stated it formally so as to be polite (my intention).

Appoligies for the digression and good will to all.

Re: The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:05 am
by Justsit
Mr Man wrote:Hi beeblebrox
Who knows maybe justsit took something from my posts and maybe I took something justsits post and maybe we both took somthing from your posts?

I dropped out because I thought I was struggling to communicate and stated it formally so as to be polite (my intention).

Appoligies for the digression and good will to all.
Ditto.