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Arthritis!

Post by bhante dhamma » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:38 am

Hi I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with dealing with arthritis, osteoarthritis to be exact? It seems to be getting worse? Some advice might be handy on how to deal with it.. Pramodya-mudita citta in advance

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by PeterC86 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:30 pm

bhante dhamma wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:38 am
Hi I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with dealing with arthritis, osteoarthritis to be exact? It seems to be getting worse? Some advice might be handy on how to deal with it.. Pramodya-mudita citta in advance
Hello bhante dhamma,

I have a followed a health advisor study at a financially independent institution in Germany (called the 'Gesellschaft fur Gesundheidsberatung'). I apologize if I make language mistakes (English is not my first language). I also copy pasted most of this text from a previous forum post I made on another forum, so it could contain some strange sentences because of this. Now I am not saying that what I write here is easy to put into practice, it mostly has to do with letting go of certain behaviour. Buddhism should come in handy with this. And I must add that what I have written below applies to all the diseases mentioned, and not only specifically to Arthritis.

This study is based upon research into nutrition, and the effects it has on the body over longer periods of time. This research was mainly done in the first, and early second, half of the 20th century. Based upon the outcome of these studies, the founder of the institution (Dr. Bruker) ordered a raw whole food based nutrition in the hospitals he ran, based upon these findings, and showed only positive results for thousands of patients over multiple decades.

Why haven't you heard about this yet? Because regular Medicine does not acknowledge these studies, as most of them were not done on humans, but mainly on animals. Why on animals? Because, for example, 1 rat year equals 30 human years, so the effects of different types of nutrition can be measured in a shorter period, and over mutiple generations (later I will show why this is important). Also, humans will not participate in a research which could damage their health over a longer period of time. Of course, one could argue about the ethics of testing on animals, but this was research done in the first half of the 20th century, and these type of studies will also not be repeated. I must emphasize that the institution is in no way involved in scientific research whatsoever. The founder only used the findings of those studies.

I will give a short simplified summary of how an unhealthy nutrition, over time, will lead to a vast range of different 'diseases', based on these studies, and on the books the doctor has written about his findings in practice. After which I will explain what kind of nutrition is a healthy nutrition, which is optimal for growth, staying healthy, healing diseases (if they are curable), or reduction of their symptoms.

The process from nutrition, to elements the body can use to nourish itself, goes through a series of metabolic changes. A vast amount of organs in our body exist primarily for these metabolic processes to happen. Other parts of our body exist to transport these nutrients to their designated places. One could see these series of metabolic prossesses as a chain. If one link in the chain fails, or is insufficient available, this will affect the whole chain. The links in the chain we call micronutrients. An insufficiency of micronutrients causes the whole metabolic process to malfunction. This will in turn lead to the deformation or malfunctioning of organs over time. Now the sad thing is, that the body is very strong, has resources, and is able to adapt, so it takes about 10 till 30 years for these deformations or malfuctions to show themselves. How long it takes differs from person to person, as it is dependent upon your genes, the environment in which one lives, and how unhealthy your nutrition is. The deformation and malfunctioning of organs, muscles, nerves, bones, etc. are the diseases.

The diseases caused by an unhealthy nutrition are:
• The dentition, the dental caries and the paradontosis;
• Musculoskeletal disorders, so-called rheumatic diseases, osteoarthritis and arthritis, spinal and disc damage;
• all metabolic diseases such as obesity, diabetes, liver damage, gallstones, kidney stones, gout, etc.;
• Most diseases of digestive organs such as stool blockage, liver, gall bladder, pancreatitis, as well as thinnings and digestive disorders and fermentation disorders.
• Vascular diseases such as arteriosclerosis, heart attack, stroke and thrombosis;
• Lack of infection defense, which manifests itself in recurrent catarrh and inflammation of the airways, the so-called cold bladder and bladder infections.
• So called Allergies, neurodermatitis, rashes
• Some organic diseases of the nervous system.

Abnormalities in one generation, caused by a wrong nutrition, are passed on to the next generation, which means that people become less healthier when born. We call this degeneration. There are cases known of children and babies who already have rheumatism.

The great amount of time it takes for the diseases to evolve, ensures that it is difficult to recognize the relationship to nutrition. That is why the animal experiments were so important, it was easier to find the relationship, and to look how the degeneration process works. In order to scientifically prove this relationship in humans, you would need a whole lot of people who are monitored over a very long time and you will need someone who will finance these expensive researches. Sadly research in universities and hospitals is financed by industries and there is no industry interested in finding out that their product causes diseases and people shouldn’t eat them to stay healthy. The food industry and the pharmaceutical industry is doing everything it can to stop or shame the research into these directions, as they are well aware that their products are unhealthy and not helping.

Moreover, Medicine is becoming more and more specialized, instead of focusing on a holistic view on the body, and the effects of nutrition over a longer time period, so a change is not to be expected soon.
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Re: Arthritis!

Post by PeterC86 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:40 pm

What should you eat to stay healthy?
For over 7000 years, people have been eating whole grains, in the early days in the form of porridge, and with the development of ovens in the form of flatbread. In the industrial era, in the early 20th century, cities developed and the urge for ingredients that could last longer became greater. Flour from full grains has a short shelf life.

Also in this era, the development of the calorie teachings developed, as scientists firstly discovered the elements Carbohydrates, Proteins and Fats. They could measure these elements according to their amount of Calories. It became important that food contained as much from them as possible, as they believed that was all we needed.

The two seemed to support each other, and porridge and bread from whole grain got traded in for bread from white flour, which contains more Calories. Not knowing that the germ and surface layer of the grain, which is removed in white flour, contained a lot of micronutrients. Most importantly, the whole grain is the main supplier of Vitamin B 1, which is the most important vitamin for breaking down Carbohydrates. It is almost impossible to get enough Vitamin B 1 without eating full grains.

Bread or other baked forms from white flour only contain Carbohydrates (Starch), which makes it an Isolated Carbohydrate or isolated processed food. And because you don’t eat the full grain, your body does not have enough Vitamin B 1 to process these carbohydrates in a proper way. Which causes a disturbance in this metabolism process, which in turn causes disturbances in other metabolism processes in the rest of the body, as your body is one big chain of metabolic processes. The more Carbohydrates you eat, the more Vitamin B 1 you need. However, because you need Carbohydrates for your energy (Glucose), you need to eat full grains to stay healthy.

Full grain Flour which is grinded somewhere, and then shipped to the bakery and baked into bread, has already lost 50% of its vitamins in the time it took to ship it from the mill to the bakery. There is also a big chance that this full grain flour isn't actually the full grain, as the germ and surface layer are often heated and added back later on, to lengthen the shelf time. So it is much better to grind your own grains and bake your own bread, or buy it from a bakery who grinds his own full grains. However, in the process of baking the bread, also micronutrients are lost, because of the heat, so it is even better to eat your grains raw. The importance of this for your health should not be underestimated!

How do you best eat your grains raw? By grinding them roughly and then let them dwell in cold water for 8-12 hours, all the micronutrients are contained in this way. It also has the advantage that enzyms are growing in this time, which is an important micronutrient, as it is a catalyst for the metabolism processes. You can eat these grains in the morning with a handful of nuts, multiple fruits and a bit of cream, with optionally a bit of lemon juice, Honey or Vanilla. This recipe is called ‘Frischkornbrei’ in German, which can be translated as ‘fresh grain porridge’.

It is also important that the grain is able to germ, because most grain is being genetically and chemically altered, by big corporations like Monsanto and DuPont, to make it resistant to pests, drought and blight, easier to harvest and dramatically increase the yield per acre. These modifications makes the grain impossible to germ, and they don't contain the micronutrients which are needed to germ. You can test for yourself if a grain is able to germ by letting some grain dwell in cold water for 3 night, and keeping it dry during the day. After 3 days it should germ. Grain from organic stores should normally be able to germ.
More information on the above can also be found here: https://grainstorm.com/pages/modern-wheat
Full grains are an important supplier of water soluble vitamins, fibers, protein, minerals, trace metals and enzyms.

Raw nuts and natural unheated mechanically pressed oils are important for delivering unsaturated Fatty Acids and fat soluble vitamins. The body is unable to metabolize unsaturated fatty acids itself, so it has to receive these from nutrition.

Fruits and vegetables are important for delivering water soluble vitamins, minerals and trace metals. Most vegetables also contain a portion of protein and fibers. A mix between vegetables from under and from above the ground is recommended, as they contain different micronutrients.

All the above mentioned foods are best eaten raw, if possible, as heat destroys a lot of micronutrients, and disturbes the natural proportion of micronutrients. It is also more difficult for your body to process cooked food, because the molecules underwent unnatural transformations. You can notice this when you have a small dip after eating cooked food, this doesn't happen with eating natural raw food.
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Re: Arthritis!

Post by PeterC86 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:42 pm

The protein issue
There is a big fuss about protein. The increasing popularity of fitness and sports showed the emergence of vast choices of sport nutrition, which focus a lot on protein. We are made to believe that we need a lot of protein by these sport nutrition brands and the meat industry. However, a baby is normally fed for the first year only by the breast milk from the mother. This breast milk contains about 1.4 – 2.5% protein. In this period a baby almost doubles his weight and size and his muscles accordingly. Only if you do hard physical labour or extreme sports, you need more, but more than 4-6% in your whole nutrition you will never need.

There are 3 types of protein; animal-based, plant-based, and human. Some people believe that if we eat animal-based or plant-based protein, our body can use this protein directly, however, as I explained earlier, protein consists out of amino acids and is broken down to them in the bowel. We need 8 types of amino acids which the body cannot metabolize itself, these are essential. It happens to be that animal protein contain all these 8 amino acids, however, the shape of the protein from animals is more different from our own protein than plant-based proteins. This means that it is easier for our body to process plant-based proteins than animal-based proteins.

Moreover, protein denaturates at a temperature of 43 degrees celcius. This is also the temperature at which our body stops functioning, because the protein in our body also denaturates at this temperature. This denaturation means the shape of a protein will change at this temperature, which makes it harder for your body to metabolize it. Which in turn causes metabolism disturbances in your whole body.
Besides this, because animal protein is from another body and the meat contains cells from this body, your body will see it as an infection and will try to fight this infection. Moreover, this reaction can over time and with too much animal-based protein cause allergies like hay fever, gluten allergy, etc. Almost all allergies are caused by eating too much animal-based protein. Eating animal-based protein is also the cause of skin deformations like akne, pimples, etc.

Furthermore, because meat and dairy products like cheese contain more protein than we need, eating too much of them will cause a protein surplus in the body, which can lead to neurodermitis, which is an allergy to Animal Protein. The surplus of protein will be stored in Fat cells in the body.

Different vegetables, fruits and nuts have different amino acids, the 8 essential amino acids are also found in a lot of fruits and vegetables. If you have a diverse plant-based nutrition you will become enough of the 8 important amino acids. Furthermore, you don't need to eat all the essential 8 amino acids every day. The body can store these amino acids for about a week.

A raw nutrition, which contains full grains, nuts and vegetables will suffice in the amount of protein which is needed, even if you take up extreme sports. With this nutrition, as a vegetarian or vegan you don’t need meat substitutes like processed foods like tofu to get enough proteins.

Sadly, because traditional medicine does not focus on nutrition, and this nutrition has not been scientifically tested, your doctor or dietician is not aware of its existence, or the consequences of a deficiency of micronutrients, or what the amount of nutrients and micronutrients the body needs is. Because they don’t know this, they normally will advise to take more than you actually need to be safe. In the case of animal-based protein, this works out negatively.

It is already becoming more known that dairy products are not healthy, why would a human drink milk from a cow? We are the only species that drinks milk from another animal.

This is not to say that animal-based protein is unhealthy per se, in a healthy body and in small amounts, not too often and in a healthy nutrition, it does not have to be unhealthy.
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Re: Arthritis!

Post by PeterC86 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:47 pm

What should you avoid to stay healthy?
All processed foods; these are isolated nutrients and are deprived from their natural amount of micronutrients.

Isolated carbohydrates are forms of processed food; forms of baked white flour and refined factory sugars. Only honey and dried fruits are natural and healthy sources of sugar. Even eating too much dried fruit (more than 3 dates a day is already too much) regularly is unhealthy. Eating refined sugars make other foods indigestible. If you eat whole grains and refined sugars, you might blame the grain for your bowel problems. Leave the sugar out and you will see the problems dissolve. It takes about 3 days for food to leave your body and it takes about 2 till 3 weeks for the bacteria in your bowel to change to a different nutrition.

Fruit drinks and smoothies. Fruit drinks and smoothies are popular because they are promoted as healthy, but they contain a lot of sugar and they lack parts of the fruits or vegetables which contain important micronutrients. Also food in the form of fluid will not be metabolized as the whole food would be, a lot of micronutrients will leave the body unprocessed.

Factory fats, contain a lot of saturated fatty acids and are also processed through which they lack micronutrients. The body is also able to metabolize the saturated fatty acids for itself.
Dairy products.

Too much meat or too many eggs. What exactly too much is, is hard to say and differs from person to person, but eating more than one piece of meat or fish per week is probably already too much. Remember that the maximum amount of protein needed is around 3% and normally we already receive this through the plant-based part of this nutrition. Meat or fish can contain up to 30% and is a denaturized protein.
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Re: Arthritis!

Post by PeterC86 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:48 pm

Book list:
Max Otto Bruker: Unsere Nahrung – unser Schicksal, emu Verlag
Max Otto Bruker: Cholesterin – Der lebensnotwendige Stoff
Max Otto Bruker: Zucker – Zucker
Werner Kollath: Die Ordnung unserer Nahrung
Ralph Bircher: Geheimarchiv der Ernährungslehre
Max Otto Bruker: Lebensbedingte Krankheiten, emu Verlag
Max Otto Bruker: Herzinfarkt, Herz-, Gefäß- und Kreislauferkrankungen, emu Verlag
Max Otto Bruker: Diäten, emu Verlag
Max Otto Bruker: Störung der Schilddrüse, emu Verlag
Ilse Gutjahr: *David gegen Goliath, emu-verlag
Max Otto Bruker: Leber-, Galle-, Magen-, Darm- und…, emu-Verlag
Max Otto Bruker, Ilse Gutjahr: Naturheilkunde, emu-verlag
Max Otto Bruker: Biologischer Ratgeber für Mutter und Kind, emu Verlag
Albert von Haller: Gefährdete Menschheit, Hippokrates – Verlag

Important researchers:
Cleave, Thomas and Campbell, George
Found that diabetes, cardiac and cerebral infarction, obesity, dental caries, ulcerated stomach, varicose veins, and many more civilization diseases are a manifestation of the ground disease Saccharine. Saccharine is a broad term to define the diseases coming forth from eating sucrose.
They wrote the book „ Diabetes, Coronary Thrombosis, and the Saccharine Disease“.

Katase, Awashi
In the year 1930 he performed animal feeding trials on young rabbits with factory sugar and concluded that if the tolerance in humans is the same as by rabbits, only 6 gramms of factory sugar is allowed to not generate damage in kids at the age of 5 or 6.

Kollath, Werner
Doctor, hygienist, nutritionist. Pioneer of the new nutritional science. M. O. Bruker: "Kollath was the most important nutritionist of the 20th century."
Kollath proved by exact animal feeding experiments that the micronutrient-poor civilization diet provably provokes illnesses. Natural nutrition with whole grain is indispensable prerequisite for the maintenance or restoration of health. Kollath: "Let the food as natural as possible."
Kollath table = classification into ´living´ food and ´death´ food.
Native and denatured protein.

Pottenger, Francis
Animal feeding experiments with cats.
Heated food (meat, pasteurized milk, milk powder, condensed milk) has led over several generations, among other things to teethanomalien, facial and Jaw malformations. Only after 4 generations of unheated food (fresh food) these damages did not occur anymore.

Price, Weston A
As a dentist, he noticed the increasing loss of teeth, especially among young people. He and his wife repeatedly set out on research trips from the Arctic Circle to the tropics to investigate the causes.
Conclusion: The more natural the food the still indigenous people consumed, the less teeth diseases they had and the more healthier they seemed to be. However, if they had consumed micronutrient-poor, usual civilization food, health deterioration occurred with before mentioned Damage.

Roos, Adolf
The Swiss dentist reacted in a similar way to his colleague Weston Price.
He examined teeth diseases and health in the remote Gomsertal (Wallis, Switzerland) 1930 - 1935 and 1955 - 1958.
Result: With the entry of so-called civilization into this valley (connection to traffic routes, consumer shops, low-vital factory foods, decline in land management, etc.), illnesses and dentition rapidly increased.

Schnitzer, Johann
Dentist, performed in the Black Forest, the "action Mönchweiler". Factory sugar, extract flour, dried fruit were to be avoided.
The inhabitants of Mönchweiler changed the diet from 1963 - 1969 to whole foods. The dental damage dropped drastically.

Yudkin, John
Professor at the University of London / Research Institute. Exposed participation of factory sugar in the development of diet-related diseases of civilization, especially coronary sclerosis / myocardial infarction / diabetes.

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by PeterC86 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:58 pm

I forgot the list of micronutrients

It is also important to note that micronutrients in nutritional supplements are not processed effectively in our body, because they are not in the nutrition itself. So they don't get involved in the metabolic processes. Most of them you just pee out again, expensive pee that is. The effects you experience from them, if at all, are mostly a placebo.

Vitamines
These can be divided into fat soluble and water soluble. Every vitamin has its own working area and cannot be replaced by another vitamin. Also the proportion between the vitamins is important. There is no natural food which only contains one vitamin. Natural foods have a good proportion of every vitamin in them, they are given by nature. You cannot guarantee a good supply of vitamins in the long term by supplementing or replacing natural foods by artificial supplements.

Also the study of Bernasek showed that there are micronutrients in natural foods which are not yet discovered, and therefore cannot be isolated yet. Bernasek replaced natural food of animals with an artificial nutrition which contains all the necessary micronutrients known today. The animals did not show abnormalities in the first generation, but in the subsequent generations, animals were born dead, they had lesser weight, sexually matured later, had impaired development of organs, most notably the nervous system. In the fourth generation they did not develop normally at all.

The vitamins in the Vitamin B Complex are important for the metabolism process. Vitamin B12 is only found in large quantities in animal based foods. In small quantities this Vitamin is also found in Tempeh, Natto, Miso, Yeast, cereal grains, Spirulina, and Seaweed. The amount of Vitamin B12 the body needs is found to be a lot smaller than previously thought, you don’t need 3 millionth of a gramm, but only 0,1 millionth of a gramm. Most importantly, research has shown that the body metabolizes Vitamin B12 in small quantities in the bowel, which is enough for the body. This only holds if you live from a wholefood based nutrition with full grains, else your metabolism is disturbed which could lead to a reduced production of Vitamin B12! Previously, vegans thought that they needed to rely on Vitamin B12 supplements.
Vitamines are sensible for heath, which breaks them down.

Minerals
- Minerals are also broken down by heath.

Trace metals - These are minerals which are only needed in very small quantities.

Enzymes - They are the catalysts for chemical processes without them being part of the process. Also the metabolism in cells are steered by enzymes.

Unsaturated Fatty Acids

Aroma substances - Give the food taste and smell, which drives our hunger.

Fibers

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by SarathW » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:40 pm

My little understanding is exercise is very important for joint health.
Some recommend taking a vitamin supplement Glucosamine Sulfate + Chondroitin+MSM
A balanced diet may provide this vitamin too.
I hope this may help.
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Re: Arthritis!

Post by bhante dhamma » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:25 am

Interesting, diet is tricky in monastic life, but I can see what I can do, here is the x-ray results post injury..

Findings:
There is small joint effusion with few thin suprapatellar, medial lateral plicae. Mild degeneration of medial meniscus without gross tear.
Previous partial tear of posterior root of lateral meniscus is probably. Mild sprain or previous partial injury of ACL.
PCL, MCL and lateral stabilizing structures are grossly intact. Patella and extensor mechanism appear intact.
There is intermediate signal change of pre-patellar fat may be chronic attrition. Mild quadriceps tendinosis is suggested.
A partial depth slit-liked chondral defect at mid lateral patellar apex is noted. Included musculature and major neurovascular structures are unremarkable. There is trace of fluid in popliteal bursa. No occult fracture or marrow edema. Few small bone islands at medial and lateral femoral condyles.
Mild proximal tibiofibular osteoarthritis is suggested.


IMPRESSION:
- There is small joint effusion with few thin suprapatellar, medial lateral plicae.
- Mild degeneration of medial meniscus without gross tear.
- Previous partial tear of posterior root of lateral meniscus is probably.
- Mild sprain or previous partial injury of ACL.
- A partial depth slit-liked chondral defect at mid lateral patellar apex is noted.
- Mild proximal tibiofibular osteoarthritis is suggested.

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by char101 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:46 am

To add to the list: near infrared light esp. to reduce the pain.

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by dharmacorps » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:44 pm

I'm a physician's assistant, but this is not medical advice. Bhante: osteoarthritis is a common condition which could have several causes, or multiple coexisting causes, and therefore several treatments. Sometimes, it is just the result of aging; sometimes inflammation, autoimmune conditions, sometimes previous injury (looks like in your case there is some prior injury there), and connective tissue disorders and other rare things. Since it has been mentioned, I can tell you from a medical perspective, outside of very rare situations, there is very little if any scientific evidence indicating diet causes, treats, or changes osteoarthritis in a broad sense. Management can be guided well by your doctor-- most common treatments and heat/cold/anti inflammatories, etc. I recommend to be careful about who you listen to online who may suggest "alternative" "treatments". Treatment is mostly symptomatic relief and sometimes surgical if the damage to the joint is severe.

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by bhante dhamma » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:58 am

Oh ok thanks Dhammacorps, I'm now wondering what the best way to proceed is, ok so since the injury last febuary/march I have been maybe walking to much so it seems anyways. The last physio I saw said one hour max, normally piṇḍapata+ caṅkman it's a few hours, so I'm wondering if that has caused the prolonged recovery? So I guess I have only two options either stay in Asia or go back to the West (Australia or New Zealand), I'm thinking in terms of medical treatment, what do I go for? do I seek a physio, GP or some kind of sports injury specialist doctor?

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Re: Arthritis!

Post by PeterC86 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:54 pm

bhante dhamma wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:58 am
Oh ok thanks Dhammacorps, I'm now wondering what the best way to proceed is, ok so since the injury last febuary/march I have been maybe walking to much so it seems anyways. The last physio I saw said one hour max, normally piṇḍapata+ caṅkman it's a few hours, so I'm wondering if that has caused the prolonged recovery? So I guess I have only two options either stay in Asia or go back to the West (Australia or New Zealand), I'm thinking in terms of medical treatment, what do I go for? do I seek a physio, GP or some kind of sports injury specialist doctor?
If the damage is caused through injury, then apparently you don't suffer from Arthrosis. From the book 'Artzlicher Rat aus Ganzheitlicher Sicht (Medical advice from a holistic perspective) Dr. M.O. Bruker, 12. Auflage 2018, page 31. I translated the text to English:

"The changes due to injury are not arthrosis but injuries. True osteoarthritis is a degenerative process of the musculoskeletal system (tendons, ligaments, cartilage, connective tissue) caused by decades of nutrient-poor diet. Unfortunately, the term osteoarthritis is often misused for other disorders (such as consequences of accidents), as a collective term for all possible pathological changes. However, experience has shown that joints that have undergone change because of an accident, are extra sensitive for the development of Arthrosis (which means that Arthrosis will occur earlier there.)."

I am not a doctor and I cannot assess if your problems are only caused by an injury or not. Please consult a doctor for this. It could be that your injury was caused partly becaused tissue was already degenerated because of malnutrition (start of Arthrosis). In either case, if it is just an injury or partly caused through a starting Arthrosis, the nutrition I referred to earlier is, according to these studies, the best nutrition a human can have, and will be the best for growth, recovery, and reduction of symptoms related to diseases (not saying that this nutrition will magicalluy heal your injury!). It can however not cure diseases which are incurable, like in the case of Arthrosis. If the tissue is degenerated, it will not grow back. However, the process of further degeneration of tissue can come to a halt, and the symptoms (pain, immobility) will be reduced. But again, if it is only an injury, it is not Arthrosis.

But I do recommend this nutrition to anyone, for that matter. With the only exception in the case of an allergy. If one has developed an allergy, the thing for which one is allergic to should be avoided until the allergy is cured. One should only eat raw fruits, vegetables, and grains, and one should renounce animal protein for a couple of weeks, after which one can start eating the thing they were allergic to again, starting with small portions. Intake of Animal protein should be permanently reduced in the case of an allergy. Almost all allergies are due to a structural over intake of animal protein. I will not go further into this here. If someone has questions about this nutrition, I will be happy to answer them.

However, if you live in a monastery, this could complicate things.

Apparently, Arthritis is a different disease and is caused by auto-immun failure. This manifests itself in inflammation of the joints, causing them to become painful or stiff and wear out faster. The position can also change permanently. If this is the case, then the nutrition I mentioned above, will able you to recover your auto-immun system if your body is able to.

Furthermore, in both cases it seems very helpful (page 55 of the book), in addition to the abovementioned nutrition, to strongly reduce, and if this does not help enough, completely renounce animal protein.

I wish you well!
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Re: Arthritis!

Post by No_Mind » Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:42 am

There are no known remedies to osteoarthritis. Joint replacement is advised if pain is unbearable. Treatment regimen is from an orthopedic specialist. Mostly some type of painkiller - acetaminophen/paracetamol, NSAID such as zaltoprofen or a COX-2 inhibitor such as etoricoxib - is given for pain management.

There is some evidence that yoga might relieve pain https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3665019/

I have a request. When you read from the internet about your condition, try to keep to Google Scholar articles or sites maintained by well known hospitals, government health departments such as NHS.

Due to something known as SEO (search engine optimization) the web has become quite untrustworthy. If you want to understand signs and symptoms refer to Wikipedia since it is relatively better than the average blog run by a website for SEO.

Having said that I will relate an incident. Do not follow my example without due caution.

In late February, I noticed large nodules on my right ankle. Soon enough after two weeks there were some on left ankle as well. I consulted dermatologists who asked for complete blood count, ASO titer and C Reactive Protein. ESR was mildly elevated but CRP was normal which meant there was some inflammation but not life threatening.

I was put on massive dose of Linezolide for 15 days followed by Doxycycline for 45 days. They had no effect. More nodules kept appearing.

Excision biopsy was advised but surgeons would only agree to full general anesthesia surgery (so they could charge me an arm and a leg for something that would take 3 minutes under local anesthesia).

The cost of culture and cytology following the biopsy was significant and it would not be covered by my insurance.

I ruled out excision surgery and went to work.

The problem was bi-lateral.

Cancer or TB is not bi-lateral.

I hunted the net and came to the conclusion that I had Erythema Nodosum, a rather rare and possibly auto-immune condition, that would lead to neuropathy within a year. There was no cure.

More research and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16322421

A doctor in Israel had observed that EN disappeared when he gave the patient B12 shots for neuropathy. It was a sample of 1. Really thin.

Since I could not prescribe B12 shots to myself, I began a regimen of 1500 mcg of Methylcobalamin by oral route, thrice weekly (about 300 times normal requirement).

But I studied the pros and possible cons. Had conversation with bodybuilders in forums since some bodybuilders like to take 1000 mcg of B12 every day.

After a month (five months from when it first appeared) the nodules went away.

Read. Study. Even the best doctors do not have time to hunt through rare research papers. But do it only if you have a solid background in researching and a reasonably firm grasp of high school science.


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Re: Arthritis!

Post by bhante dhamma » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:19 am

Oh ok Pramodya for all your advice,

..osteoarthritis is a degenerative process of the musculoskeletal system (tendons, ligaments, cartilage, connective tissue) caused by decades of nutrient-poor diet...

Mmmm not so sure I would completely qualify for that, seems to be more like this.."With a moderate grade II sprain, the knee ligament tears partially. Swelling and bruising are common, and the use of the joint is usually painful and difficult." But who knows really.

..osteoarthritis is often misused for other disorders (such as consequences of accidents..

Still uncertain is the cause a knee sprain or an underlying disorder like arthritis?

..joints that have undergone change because of an accident, are extra sensitive for the development of Arthrosis."..

Could be that category indeed.

...If the damage is caused through injury, then apparently you don't suffer from Arthrosis...

So I have to find an orthopedic specialist to further the diagnosis, correct?

..If the tissue is degenerated..

Need to consult an orthopedic doctor for this also?

Arthritis is a different disease and is caused by auto-immun failure. This manifests itself in inflammation of the joints.

I guess needs further investigation as to exact cause.

There are no known remedies to osteoarthritis.

Diagnosis might be off, but noted.

One puzzling thing is that from what I've read it normally takes only a few week's for 'a sprain' to heal, so in the case that it's months the implication is it's more than a sprain? Is it the case normally you see a orthopedic doctor for diagnosis and then a sports physician for rehab?
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