The case against coffee (important)

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Re: The case against coffee (important)

Post by DNS » Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:48 pm

:thumbsup: Coffee is good. :coffee:

When I found out that tea has fluoride in it, I went looking around to see what was healthy to drink. Herbal teas are good, especially hibiscus tea, is very healthy and no fluoride. I'm not one of those conspiracy theorists, but black tea does have a high concentration of fluoride, which can be harmful in large quantities. The tea plant naturally captures large amounts of fluoride from the ground. So I did some research on some reputable sites and coffee kept coming back up as a surprisingly healthy beverage, no fluoride, good for the heart and so many things.

So now I drink coffee, hibiscus tea and occasionally some jasmine tea, in that order. :tongue:

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Re: The case against coffee (important)

Post by m0rl0ck » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:47 pm

robertk wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:22 am
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/ ... finds.html
Caffeine may counter age-related inflammation

A chronic inflammatory process that occurs in some, but not all, older people may trigger cardiovascular problems, a new Stanford study shows. Part of the solution might be found in a cup of coffee.
Thanks for the great links!

If you are into serious caffien abuse i can heartily recommend a moka pot.

http://www.mokabees.com/how-to-make-mok ... ate-guide/

Other than a porcelain tea pot, its my favorite delivery system.
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Re: The case against coffee (important)

Post by Dharmasherab » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:51 pm

The problem with coffee (as well as tea) is that it is not beneficial for human consumption. Coffee is a stimulant for the nervous system and it had negative 'prana'. Negative prana means that it shifts the 'subtle energies' in the mind downwards into the body. But in meditation that is not something you dont want because you are at your best when subtle energy is shifted as much as possible into the mind. Also coffee just like chocolate contains an alkaloid which is not good for the brain. The brain responds to this toxic product by releasing serotonin. This is why people get the 'feel good' effect from coffee as well as chocolate because the brain reacts to theobromine by releasing serotonin.

Not only coffee but any type of neurostimulant is best avoided in the 8Fold Path as meditation is an essential part of it. Examples of foods which are negative prana include onions, garlic and green pepper.

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Re: The case against coffee (important)

Post by Kim OHara » Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:21 pm

m0rl0ck wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:47 pm
robertk wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:22 am
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/ ... finds.html
Caffeine may counter age-related inflammation

A chronic inflammatory process that occurs in some, but not all, older people may trigger cardiovascular problems, a new Stanford study shows. Part of the solution might be found in a cup of coffee.
Thanks for the great links!

If you are into serious caffien abuse i can heartily recommend a moka pot.

http://www.mokabees.com/how-to-make-mok ... ate-guide/

Other than a porcelain tea pot, its my favorite delivery system.
I've used these and they are good but I find them too slow and fussy. For me, the best trade-off between convenience and quality is the 'plunger' type of pot.

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Re: The case against coffee (important)

Post by Dhammanando » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:18 am

Over the years I’ve experimented with virtually every coffee-making device, with the exception of the cezve (as I don’t much like Turkish coffee) and the vacuum coffee-maker (which I only recently learned about). Still, despite the insistence of some of my Thai colleagues that nothing beats coffee filtered through an old bowl-wiping cloth...

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I always revert in the end to my good old moka:

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While for grinding the beans I use this nice manual grinder from Vietnam. From time to time people offer me electrical grinders, but I decline their offers as I’ve never known one whose friction didn’t burn the beans at least slightly.

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Re: The case against coffee (important)

Post by robertk » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:41 am

Thanks for the tips Venerable.

I find the coffee shops in Vietnam the best i have tried, maybe the implements help.

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Re: The case against coffee (important)

Post by Mkoll » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:35 am

For a coffee treat, it's hard to beat that Vietnamese coffee with sweetened condensed milk. Add in a bowl of pho as a meal and you are set my friend.
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Re: The case against coffee (important)

Post by m0rl0ck » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:15 pm

Kim OHara wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:21 pm
m0rl0ck wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:47 pm
robertk wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:22 am
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/ ... finds.html
Caffeine may counter age-related inflammation

A chronic inflammatory process that occurs in some, but not all, older people may trigger cardiovascular problems, a new Stanford study shows. Part of the solution might be found in a cup of coffee.
Thanks for the great links!

If you are into serious caffien abuse i can heartily recommend a moka pot.

http://www.mokabees.com/how-to-make-mok ... ate-guide/

Other than a porcelain tea pot, its my favorite delivery system.
I've used these and they are good but I find them too slow and fussy. For me, the best trade-off between convenience and quality is the 'plunger' type of pot.


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I have seen those and been curious. How fine a grind can you get away with using those?
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Re: The case against coffee (important)

Post by seeker242 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:20 pm

The US Beverage Guidance Panel, independently assembled to provide recommendations on benefits and risks of various beverage categories, found tea and coffee, without creamer or sweetener, tied as the number-two healthiest beverages, second only to water!

More research on the health benefits of tea and coffee is needed, but one thing is for certain: The addition of cream, sugar, whipped cream, and flavorings can turn coffee or tea from a healthful beverage into a not-so-healthful one.
:smile: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritions ... ull-story/

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Re: The case against coffee (important)

Post by mikenz66 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:31 pm

Dhammanando wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:18 am
While for grinding the beans I use this nice manual grinder from Vietnam. From time to time people offer me electrical grinders, but I decline their offers as I’ve never known one whose friction didn’t burn the beans at least slightly.
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And a very impressive grinder it is, Bhante. And the coffee you made me using it last year was excellent!

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Re: The case against coffee (important)

Post by Disciple » Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:49 pm

7 eleven coffee is good and free medium cup if you buy gas. The only downside is you have to pour it yourself.

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Re: The case against coffee (important)

Post by Kim OHara » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:28 pm

m0rl0ck wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:15 pm
I have seen those [plungers] and been curious. How fine a grind can you get away with using in those?
Very fine, since coffee grounds eventually sink anyway. (There's a beautiful little article somewhere about the difference in design between teapots and coffee pots. It's called "Tea Rises, Coffee Sinks") The plunger just encourages them to sink and then stops them being swilled out when you pour.

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Re: The case against coffee (important)

Post by retrofuturist » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:39 pm

Greetings,
Kim OHara wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:21 pm
For me, the best trade-off between convenience and quality is the 'plunger' type of pot.
Likewise.

On work days, I'll usually have one homebrew before I leave for work, then a $2 readymade flat white from a cafe on the way to work. Then for brunch (since I usually neither have breakfast or lunch), I'll have a strong flat white as part of a food and coffee combo at a bakery near work. That's usually it, but if I have any more throughout the day, it's usually free push button machine coffee from work.

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Re: The case against coffee (important)

Post by denise » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:34 am

have tried cold brew making at home...it makes a concentrate to keep in the frig....lowers the acid a bit because the coffee is not heated and cooked...first tried it in the 80s and have started again.... :coffee:

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Re: The case against coffee (important)

Post by trefoil » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:09 pm

This thread has been a good read, I appreciate all the differing opinions.

I am trying to watch my caffeine consumption very carefully. It is clear to me that there are feelings of craving and attachment mixed up with it. I think there may be some benefits in meditation but only in minute amounts. Unfortunately I am fully addicted to coffee at the moment, so instead of subtle benefits I am dealing with what I see as a more serious issue.

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