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Re: Bhikhuni ordination?

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:18 am
by SarathW
Thanks Zom
What about all the nuns underwent full ordination under Ajahn Braham?
My understanding is now there are validly ordained nuns.

Re: Bhikhuni ordination?

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:43 am
by Dhammarakkhito
maraṇa's link is good, and this one as well www.bhikkhuni.net/wp-content/uploads/20 ... japati.pdf

Re: Bhikhuni ordination?

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:41 pm
by thomaslaw
SarathW wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:18 am Thanks Zom
What about all the nuns underwent full ordination under Ajahn Braham?
My understanding is now there are validly ordained nuns.
It seems the full ordination is not accepted under one man? It is really a matter of the Sangha.

Re: Bhikhuni ordination?

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:53 pm
by SarathW
It seems the full ordination is not accepted under one man?
Why only one man?
There are many male monks with AB.

Re: Bhikhuni ordination?

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:58 pm
by thomaslaw
SarathW wrote: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:53 pm
It seems the full ordination is not accepted under one man?
Why only one man?
There are many male monks with AB.
Only male monks?

Re: Bhikhuni ordination?

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:01 am
by SarathW
Sorry, what do you mean by one man?

Re: Bhikhuni ordination?

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:06 am
by thomaslaw
SarathW wrote: Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:01 am Sorry, what do you mean by one man?
".... under Ajahn Braham"

Re: Bhikhuni ordination?

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:26 am
by SarathW
How can this be legal then?

Re: Bhikhuni ordination?

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:35 am
by Dhammarakkhito
just a friendly reminder that it's spelled 'bhikkhunī' with diacritic over the second i
:anjali:

Re: Bhikhuni ordination?

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:35 am
by thomaslaw
SarathW wrote: Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:26 am How can this be legal then?
not legal, indeed.

Re: Bhikhuni ordination?

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:13 am
by SarathW
What they have to make it legal?
Or
What should they have done to make it legal?

Re: Bhikhuni ordination?

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:29 am
by Zom
Thanks Zom
What about all the nuns underwent full ordination under Ajahn Braham?
As far as I remember, they were ordained just by 4 bhikkhus on the (taken out of context) Vinaya statement spoken by the Buddha: "Monks, I allow you to ordain women" (or close to that). Famous thai scholar Ven. Payutto explains that this phrase Buddha used only once in particular circumstances - when 500 women, followers of Maha Pajapati Gotami, needed to be ordained (this happened just right after he allowed Maha Pajapati Gotami to become a bhikkhuni). After monks ordained all these women, Buddha established general (overriding) rule: from now on 4 bhikkhus + 4 bhukkhunis are needed. This is how bhikkhuni sangha lived on since then.
My understanding is now there are validly ordained nuns.
I have an opposite opinion.