What is saṅghakammas ?
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When two groups of monks are in dispute as to whether something is Dhamma or not-Dhamma, Vinaya or not-Vinaya, the Vinaya terms it a "conflict in the Order" (saṅgharuci). It becomes a "schism in the Order" (saṅghabheda) only when they're so much at odds with each other that they won't perform saṅghakammas together.
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What is saṅghakammas ?
What is saṅghakammas ?
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Re: What is saṅghakammas ?
They are Vinaya-prescribed communal acts such as: ordination, confession, penance, probation, rehabilitation, uposatha, kaṭhina, pavāraṇā, establishing a sīmā, appointing robes-distributors, medicine-distributors and other saṅgha officers, resolving cases of dispute and accusation, declaring a monk insane or recovered from insanity, censure, demotion, banishment, reconciliation, suspension for not seeing an offence, suspension for not making amends for an offence, suspension for not giving up a wrong view, rescinding of a disciplinary act, overturning the almsbowl, etc., etc.SarathW wrote:What is saṅghakammas ?
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
Re: What is saṅghakammas ?
Could you explain a little more? Does this refer to Pācittiya 68?Dhammanando wrote:...suspension for not giving up a wrong viewSarathW wrote:What is saṅghakammas ?
Edit: and have you known this ever to happen in practice?
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Re: What is saṅghakammas ?
Yes.Coyote wrote:Could you explain a little more? Does this refer to Pācittiya 68?
I haven't heard of a case in modern times where the monk had to be suspended because he persisted in his wrong view throughout the admonition and three remonstrations. The closest that I know of was in the 1970s when the Thai sangha threatened an action against Phra Kittivuḍḍho for espousing the view that there is no bad kamma in killing a Communist. But then he recanted his view —or at least tempered it a little— so the transaction didn't go ahead.Coyote wrote:Edit: and have you known this ever to happen in practice?
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
Re: What is saṅghakammas ?
Thanks for your answer, Bhante.
Thanissaro Bhikku's commentary in the BMC would suggest that this would even cover holding eternalist, annihilationist, fatalist and determinist views. It's interesting because there is the perception that the vinaya does not impose penalties for holding to wrong doctrines.
Thanissaro Bhikku's commentary in the BMC would suggest that this would even cover holding eternalist, annihilationist, fatalist and determinist views. It's interesting because there is the perception that the vinaya does not impose penalties for holding to wrong doctrines.
"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
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