What is saṅghakammas ?

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What is saṅghakammas ?

Post by SarathW » Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:17 pm

What is saṅghakammas ?
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When two groups of monks are in dispute as to whether something is Dhamma or not-Dhamma, Vinaya or not-Vinaya, the Vinaya terms it a "conflict in the Order" (saṅgharuci). It becomes a "schism in the Order" (saṅghabheda) only when they're so much at odds with each other that they won't perform saṅghakammas together.

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Re: What is saṅghakammas ?

Post by Dhammanando » Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:31 am

SarathW wrote:What is saṅghakammas ?
They are Vinaya-prescribed communal acts such as: ordination, confession, penance, probation, rehabilitation, uposatha, kaṭhina, pavāraṇā, establishing a sīmā, appointing robes-distributors, medicine-distributors and other saṅgha officers, resolving cases of dispute and accusation, declaring a monk insane or recovered from insanity, censure, demotion, banishment, reconciliation, suspension for not seeing an offence, suspension for not making amends for an offence, suspension for not giving up a wrong view, rescinding of a disciplinary act, overturning the almsbowl, etc., etc.

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Re: What is saṅghakammas ?

Post by Coyote » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:37 am

Dhammanando wrote:
SarathW wrote:What is saṅghakammas ?
...suspension for not giving up a wrong view
Could you explain a little more? Does this refer to Pācittiya 68?

Edit: and have you known this ever to happen in practice?

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Re: What is saṅghakammas ?

Post by Dhammanando » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:14 am

Coyote wrote:Could you explain a little more? Does this refer to Pācittiya 68?
Yes.
Coyote wrote:Edit: and have you known this ever to happen in practice?
I haven't heard of a case in modern times where the monk had to be suspended because he persisted in his wrong view throughout the admonition and three remonstrations. The closest that I know of was in the 1970s when the Thai sangha threatened an action against Phra Kittivuḍḍho for espousing the view that there is no bad kamma in killing a Communist. But then he recanted his view —or at least tempered it a little— so the transaction didn't go ahead.

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Re: What is saṅghakammas ?

Post by Coyote » Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:00 am

Thanks for your answer, Bhante.
Thanissaro Bhikku's commentary in the BMC would suggest that this would even cover holding eternalist, annihilationist, fatalist and determinist views. It's interesting because there is the perception that the vinaya does not impose penalties for holding to wrong doctrines.
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