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Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Re: Ordination in Na Uyana Forest Monastery

Post by Goofaholix » Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:09 pm

333 wrote:Does anyone know of such a place conducive to this type of training?
Nowhere is perfect. Too many mosquitoes, too many rules, too many egos, too many tourists, too many chores, too many interruptions, too many scandals... the list goes on.

The too many part is in your mind.
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.” ― Ajahn Chah

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Re: Ordination in Na Uyana Forest Monastery

Post by 333 » Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:46 pm

The outline of the perfect monastery for me was rough and composed within minutes, and I don't expect to find a perfect monastery anywhere. Those details were given to assist people with monastery knowledge who would be wondering what is the ideal monastery I would like. Na uyana is close to perfect, until I found out the abbot beat a monk, drugged another, and allegedly poisoned another to death for exposing said abbots corruption. "Too many scandals" , all in my head, eh? No, I will ordain to cultivate virtue and murder my ego, a corrupted environment is not where I need to be. I know your comment was well intended, so thank you. But I am not so easily deterred by "too many of this or that". If I plan to move to a foreign country I had better be willing to endure hardship, let alone mosquitoes, wouldn't you think
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To Cultivate Only Good,
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Re: Ordination in Na Uyana Forest Monastery

Post by Goofaholix » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:14 am

333 wrote:all in my head, eh?
I didn't say that, I said "The too many part is in your mind", actually the "The too many part is in the mind" would have been better.

This lifestyle has an important aspect of going against the grain and living with things that aren't as you'd like them to be, wherever you choose it's worth reflecting on what the plan is when inevitable disappointments arise.
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.” ― Ajahn Chah

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Re: Ordination in Na Uyana Forest Monastery

Post by 333 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:33 am

Inevitable disappointment as a monk is the same as inevitable disappointment as a layman, it is only seen from a different perspective, and only seen from that different perspective if one identifies with their role. "I am a layman", "I am a monk". I just broke my foot 4 days ago while I am planning to leave the country within months. But I have not felt self pity, why me, or irritation; I meditate daily on impermanence and this was a great example and teaching of the impermanence of bodily health.

Just an example of my mind state, I am prepared to face life head on as a monk like I have done in the home life. I imagine there has been people here who say they want to ordain but are unaware of the reality they are facing. A monks life isn't roses and an ongoing meditative trance of transcension. But it is virtuous, if lived right, and it is a great opportunity to sever ego identification.
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And To Purify One's Mind
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Re: Ordination in Na Uyana Forest Monastery

Post by Goofaholix » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:38 am

333 wrote:Just an example of my mind state, I am prepared to face life head on as a monk like I have done in the home life. I imagine there has been people here who say they want to ordain but are unaware of the reality they are facing. A monks life isn't roses and an ongoing meditative trance of transcension. But it is virtuous, if lived right, and it is a great opportunity to sever ego identification.
If that's the case finding an acceptable monastery should be easy.
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.” ― Ajahn Chah

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Re: renamed::: help finding monastery???

Post by 333 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:56 am

Thanks for the help :twothumbsup:
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Re: Ordination in Na Uyana Forest Monastery

Post by samseva » Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:05 am

333 wrote:Does anyone know of such a place conducive to this type of training? In Thailand or sri Lanka, or anywhere else. Except the west; I would like to leave this area. I only speak English as well. Thanks for any replies :twothumbsup:
There are probably many in Thailand. There is also Meetirigala Nissarana Vanaya in Sri Lanka, which is apparently a good monastery, but somewhat difficult to live there. Have you considered Australia, New Zealand or the UK?

I don't know if you like the Ajahn Chah monasteries, but maybe this could be useful (Ajahn Chah branch monasteries from around the world).
http://forestsangha.org/monasteries/

Another great resource is the World Buddhist Directory.
http://www.buddhanet.info/wbd/

Someone else who could help you out is Ven. Yuttadhammo Bhikkhu.
https://www.facebook.com/yuttadhammo
https://plus.google.com/+YuttadhammoBhikkhu/posts
http://yuttadhammo.sirimangalo.org (Contact form to the right)

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Re: renamed::: help finding monastery???

Post by 333 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:55 am

Very helpful, thanks! Buddhanet has a lot of information, it is taking some work to navigate :computerproblem:
So many beautiful wats I would be happy with, the challenge is to find the English speaking wats :sage:
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Re: renamed::: help finding monastery???

Post by samseva » Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:00 am

333 wrote:Very helpful, thanks! Buddhanet has a lot of information, it is taking some work to navigate :computerproblem:
So many beautiful wats I would be happy with, the challenge is to find the English speaking wats :sage:
I would aim at learning the language where you intend to ordain. If you are mainly interested in English speaking monasteries, then that would basically come down to Wat Pah Nanachat in Thailand, monasteries in the US, Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand.

That is, unless you don't mind learning the Vinaya and listening to Dhamma talks in Sinhalese or Thai, not having a clue what is being said.

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Re: renamed::: help finding monastery???

Post by 333 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:21 am

I've read on dhammawheel there are many thai wats English speakers can ordain. Wherever I go I will make an effort to learn the language. But I'm not discouraged by this language barrier, I know there are wats that teach in English. http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... 4&start=20" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. This thread is very helpful, wat tha ma o is a candidate and wat sri born ruang... I may end up traveling there without knowing which wat I will ordain but bounce around a list of candidates until I find home.
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Re: renamed::: help finding monastery???

Post by samseva » Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:28 am

Good luck with your research. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me. I have been preparing to ordain for more than a year and can probably help you out with some things.

Also, make sure to read the E-Sangha transcript.
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... 08#p223653

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Re: renamed::: help finding monastery???

Post by 333 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:38 am

I may take you up on your offer, thank you for your generosity :anjali: have a great night/day - wherever you are . thanks again
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Re: renamed::: help finding monastery???

Post by Zom » Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:25 am

no, amongst many reasons westerners feel drawn to the east, I'd like to be closer to the source. Western Buddhism is developing
Well, on the place you may find out, that asian buddhism is much farther from the source than "developing" western one .)
So be prepared for that.

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Re: renamed::: help finding monastery???

Post by samseva » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:16 pm

Zom wrote:
no, amongst many reasons westerners feel drawn to the east, I'd like to be closer to the source. Western Buddhism is developing
Well, on the place you may find out, that asian buddhism is much farther from the source than "developing" western one .)
So be prepared for that.
I would say the religious (and cultural) aspect of it is a lot more present. That is for Theravāda; Mahāyāna being another story.

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Re: renamed::: help finding monastery???

Post by Zom » Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:57 pm

I would say the religious (and cultural) aspect of it is a lot more present.
Not only. Doctrinal and practical as well.. unfortunately.

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