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Re: Looking for ordination

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:38 am
by reflection
You may. I'm 25 now.

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Re: Looking for ordination

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:15 am
by starter
reflection wrote:Thanks for the replies.

I think one should ordain with a teacher they can learn from, be inspired by and can agree with the dhamma they teach. If that teacher happens to be far away, so beit. Also, I want to find a teacher who I think is as close to enlightenment as possible. If (s)he's far away, well, than I'll go to there anyway.

:anjali:
One year ago I was in a similar "boat" like you. Fortunately I found out:

"Monks, be islands (lights) unto yourselves,be your own refuge, having no other; let the Dhamma be an island (light) and a refuge to you, having no other." (SN22.43)

"... For those who — now or after I am gone — remain with their self as an island, their self as their refuge, without anything else as a refuge, with the Dhamma as an island, the Dhamma as their refuge, without anything else as a refuge, they will be the highest of the monks who desire training." (SN 47.13)

Starter
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Re: Looking for ordination

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:46 am
by James the Giant
reflection wrote: One year ago I was in a similar "boat" like you. Fortunately I found out:

"Monks, be islands (lights) unto yourselves,be your own refuge, having no other; let the Dhamma be an island (light) and a refuge to you, having no other." (SN22.43)

"... For those who — now or after I am gone — remain with their self as an island, their self as their refuge, without anything else as a refuge, with the Dhamma as an island, the Dhamma as their refuge, without anything else as a refuge, they will be the highest of the monks who desire training." (SN 47.13)
You are misinterpreting the quotes if you think that means going it alone. Sure, have no other refuge but the dhamma. But who is going to train you in the dhamma ("monks who desire training."), help you interpret it, to guide you and make sure you are not going the wrong way, or wasting your time up blind alleys. A teacher who has experience and attainment.

Re: Looking for ordination

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:48 am
by retrofuturist
Greetings,

I agree with Starter that the Dhamma is a refuge, but also with James that the Sangha is too.

Just to finish off the all important trilogy, don't forget refuge in the Buddha!

:buddha2:

Metta,
Retro. :)

Re: Looking for ordination

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:08 pm
by Alobha
I feel you will do great as a monk, reflection.

Re: Looking for ordination

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:47 pm
by reflection
Alobha wrote:I feel you will do great as a monk, reflection.
Thank you! I have the feeling as well, but we'll see ! :anjali:

Re: Looking for ordination

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:53 pm
by reflection
starter wrote:
reflection wrote:Thanks for the replies.

I think one should ordain with a teacher they can learn from, be inspired by and can agree with the dhamma they teach. If that teacher happens to be far away, so beit. Also, I want to find a teacher who I think is as close to enlightenment as possible. If (s)he's far away, well, than I'll go to there anyway.

:anjali:
One year ago I was in a similar "boat" like you. Fortunately I found out:

"Monks, be islands (lights) unto yourselves,be your own refuge, having no other; let the Dhamma be an island (light) and a refuge to you, having no other." (SN22.43)

"... For those who — now or after I am gone — remain with their self as an island, their self as their refuge, without anything else as a refuge, with the Dhamma as an island, the Dhamma as their refuge, without anything else as a refuge, they will be the highest of the monks who desire training." (SN 47.13)

Starter
:anjali:
Thank you.

But I think even those who have their self and the Dhamma as an island will do best in a community of likeminded people. Although I will miss my family, which is one thing to consider of course, I think it is important for the general benefit of the dhamma, the world and myself to train in the best possible environment. For me this community will not be very close by anyway, so if it happens to be far overseas, so be it.

:anjali: