How do monks shave?

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Re: How do monks shave?

Post by James the Giant » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:25 am

lojong1 wrote:the fire method is all over the suttas
FIRE METHOD?! :jawdrop:

no, that's got to be a joke, surely.
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Re: How do monks shave?

Post by plwk » Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:27 am

the fire method is all over the suttas
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Re: How do monks shave?

Post by Cittasanto » Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:59 am

Coyote wrote:I am guessing they don't use electric razors, and I seem to remember they are not allowed to use mirrors. So how do they shave (head and face)? And how often? Is it required?

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The electric razor isn't allowed as it cuts like scisors. but they can use a mirror, just not stare at themselves like Narcissus, so a mirror for practical purposes is allowed but not to be over used.
The vinaya requirement is that the hair not get too long, no more than two finger breadths or every two lunar months, if I remember correctly.

a simple blade razor would be used now but clam shells and other tools were used in different cultures in the past for the purpose.
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Re: How do monks shave?

Post by Cittasanto » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:01 am

lojong1 wrote:the fire method is all over the suttas
where?
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Re: How do monks shave?

Post by Coyote » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:30 am

Cittasanto wrote: The electric razor isn't allowed as it cuts like scisors. but they can use a mirror, just not stare at themselves like Narcissus, so a mirror for practical purposes is allowed but not to be over used.
Thanissaro's Buddhist Monastic Code says this:

"One should not gaze at the reflection of one's face in a mirror or in a bowl of water. Whoever should do so: an offense of wrong doing"... "I allow that, on account of a disease, one gaze at the reflection of one's face in a mirror or in a bowl of water." — Cv.V.2.4

Do you know of another explanation that allows for practical use, or is this based on your experience with monks?

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Re: How do monks shave?

Post by Cittasanto » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:41 am

Coyote wrote:
Cittasanto wrote: The electric razor isn't allowed as it cuts like scisors. but they can use a mirror, just not stare at themselves like Narcissus, so a mirror for practical purposes is allowed but not to be over used.
Thanissaro's Buddhist Monastic Code says this:

"One should not gaze at the reflection of one's face in a mirror or in a bowl of water. Whoever should do so: an offense of wrong doing"... "I allow that, on account of a disease, one gaze at the reflection of one's face in a mirror or in a bowl of water." — Cv.V.2.4

Do you know of another explanation that allows for practical use, or is this based on your experience with monks?

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That is the one I had in mind so no no other part I know of allows for practical use just as no other part disallows to my knowledge. Although I will have a look at the surrounding rules which may have something.
Edit - Just looked and nothing jumps out in surrounding passages and a not points to a Bhikkhuni rule that is in-part about being a hair-dresser not being allowed.
but it is also how I have practised it in a setting with Bhikkhus.
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