Buddha's skin colour

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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by Dhammanando » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:38 am

thomaslaw wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:56 am
The text does not state the 32 marks of the mahapurisa. It says the mahapurisa with great wisdom.
I know. It is nonetheless relevant as a response to the claim that the Buddha doesn't describe himself as a mahāpurisa.

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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by thomaslaw » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:38 am

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Dhammanando wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:38 am
thomaslaw wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:56 am
The text does not state the 32 marks of the mahapurisa. It says the mahapurisa with great wisdom.
I know. It is nonetheless relevant as a response to the claim that the Buddha doesn't describe himself as a mahāpurisa.
Great wisdom of mahapurisa and the 32 marks of mahapurisa are certainly not the same mahapurisa. The Buddha does not in the text describe himself as the mahapurisa with 32 marks.

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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by Dhammanando » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:37 pm

thomaslaw wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:38 am
Great wisdom of mahapurisa and the 32 marks of mahapurisa are certainly not the same mahapurisa.
They certainly are, for in the Vassakārasutta the first of the four features of a great man of great wisdom includes the words, "... is one who has established the manyfolk in the ariyan method" (bahussa janatā ariye ñāye patiṭṭhāpitā). This is a descriptor that is only ever applied to Sammāsambuddhas.

That being so, the only difference between mahāpurisa in the Vassakārasutta and mahāpurisa in (some of) the thirty-two marks contexts is that in the former it it is a term for Sammāsambuddhas alone, while in the latter it may denote either Sammāsambuddhas or Wheel-turning Monarchs.

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Re: Buddha's skin colour

Post by thomaslaw » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:59 am

Dhammanando wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:37 pm
thomaslaw wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:38 am
Great wisdom of mahapurisa and the 32 marks of mahapurisa are certainly not the same mahapurisa.
They certainly are, for in the Vassakārasutta the first of the four features of a great man of great wisdom includes the words, "... is one who has established the manyfolk in the ariyan method" (bahussa janatā ariye ñāye patiṭṭhāpitā). This is a descriptor that is only ever applied to Sammāsambuddhas.

That being so, the only difference between mahāpurisa in the Vassakārasutta and mahāpurisa in (some of) the thirty-two marks contexts is that in the former it it is a term for Sammāsambuddhas alone, while in the latter it may denote either Sammāsambuddhas or Wheel-turning Monarchs.
Another difference is: in the latter the Buddha does not say he is the mahapurisa (with 32 marks).

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